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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Did they mean it was £2m reduced to £1m or £3m to £2m?
Considering the cap for the whole squad is £1.65m, =#0000FFthis must go back years and cover a long period of time. As Jake says, wonder how many other clubs have similar liabilities? Can't for a minute imagine we're the only club that's used this mechanism, but if any had this sort of liability it could tip them over the edge. Crikey.
Most clubs reference the image rights point as a potential liability in their accounts - anyone know whether there's been a decision on that one? Seem to think Leeds were a test case?'"
10 years according to the Pearson statement.
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| Jesus if Rovers having being paying all there Aussie's the same they must be millions in debt to the inland revenue.
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| Quote ="Ellam"Jesus if Rovers having being paying all there Aussie's the same they must be millions in debt to the inland revenue.
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Lets hope so. As with all matters financial, it is something the ambulance chaser is remarkably reluctant to discuss. More rejects, reserves and lower division players on the way for the dobbins as they struggle out of this?
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| Quote ="Ellam"Jesus if Rovers having being paying all there Aussie's the same they must be millions in debt to the inland revenue.
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If our liability was £2m over the last 10 years, I would expect Rovers' to be less, seeing as they've only been in SL for 5. Althought I reckon they're still not in as strong a position to pay theirs off.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"If our liability was £2m over the last 10 years, I would expect Rovers' to be less, seeing as they've only been in SL for 5. Althought I reckon they're still not in as strong a position to pay theirs off.'" Say £1m then? How much did Allam loan them?
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Wakey are the only superleague club that don't have any liabilities do to the administration earlier in the year (the same would have applied to the Crusaders). There was talk of a virtual league-wide mass adminstration call if Leeds lost their test case to stop most of SL going under. Be interesting how it pans out.'"
still the same trading company, isn't it, it wasn't liquidated?
and believe all us FC fans, Wakefield have a HUGE liability, he's sat in the coaches office reading a book cod'ead sent him!
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| Quote ="Standee"still the same trading company, isn't it, it wasn't liquidated?
and believe all us FC fans, Wakefield have a HUGE liability, he's sat in the coaches office reading a book cod'ead sent him!'"
Nope, totally new company, spirit of 1873. Its was confirmed at the time of the takeover that the liability was wiped out with the death of the old company.
As for the second point, yeah your probably right though we can't be much worse than this year!
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Nope, totally new company, spirit of 1873. Its was confirmed at the time of the takeover that the liability was wiped out with the death of the old company.
As for the second point, yeah your probably right though we can't be much worse than this year!'"
at least one positive came out of administration then.
I'd be careful, llok what Fubar did with our squad who, without being rude, were much better than Wakeys for next season (as it stands).
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| Quote ="Kosh"Just about every SL club is my understanding, although the degree varies considerably.
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Not Hull KR, according to Rob... I mean Hartleystash.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Not Hull KR, according to Rob... I mean Hartleystash.'"
Where is Hartley's stash?
Or do you think he actually meant 'tache?
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Not Hull KR, according to Rob... I mean Hartleystash.'"
Reckon thats were Allam's loan has gone. Think I'd sooner be in debt to the HMRC than Mr Allam.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Where is Hartley's stash?
Or do you think he actually meant 'tache?'"
Well. It [iused[/i to be hidden under a big umbrella. Not sure if it's still there.
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"Reckon thats were Allam's loan has gone. Think I'd sooner be in debt to the HMRC than Mr Allam.'"
Amen. [iThat[/i clock is ticking for sure.
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"Reckon thats were Allam's loan has gone. Think I'd sooner be in debt to the HMRC than Mr Allam.'"
Mick, Hull FC's EBT Payments are from the last 10 years. We only came into SL in 2007. So considering your debt to HMRC is 1 million We'd be generous to say our bill would even reach 500k.
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| Quote ="Easty"Mick, Hull FC's EBT Payments are from the last 10 years. We only came into SL in 2007. So considering your debt to HMRC is 1 million We'd be generous to say our bill would even reach 500k.'"
Are EBT debts only applicable to Super League clubs? That is a genuine question, btw - I don't know.
Surely Rovers had a few overseas players in the Championship who presumably were on full time contracts (on much smaller salaries than SL players, of course).
Just glad Hull are being proactive on this.
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| I'd presume rovers really don't have any ebt liability or surely it would have been commented on in their accounts?
The potential liability to Hull would have been factored into pearson's purchase price so he's already £1m up on the deal so won't be bothered about doing some of that long overdue investment
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Are EBT debts only applicable to Super League clubs? That is a genuine question, btw - I don't know.
Surely Rovers had a few overseas players in the Championship who presumably were on full time contracts (on much smaller salaries than SL players, of course).
Just glad Hull are being proactive on this.'"
There's nothing to say that Championship clubs won't have built up some EBT liability, albeit on a smaller scale than the SL clubs. The tax loophole was open to any business and although the wages are smaller in the lower leagues so is the income.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'd presume rovers really don't have any ebt liability or surely it would have been commented on in their accounts?'"
I'm not sure. Was our liability reported in our accounts?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure. Was our liability reported in our accounts?'"
I think there was a comment in the notes
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| No, the accounts didn't have this as a note. Leeds accounts reference EBTs as something they use, but not as a potential liability; however, they file full accounts rather than our abbreviated ones. Previously most clubs have referenced image rights as a potential liability but this time round don't seem to.
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| Quote ="Easty"Mick, Hull FC's EBT Payments are from the last 10 years. We only came into SL in 2007. So considering your debt to HMRC is 1 million We'd be generous to say our bill would even reach 500k.'"
Ours is £1m now it was reported by Jmaes Smailes to have been £2.5 before Pearson worked his magic!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Ours is £1m now it was reported by Jmaes Smailes to have been £2.5 before Pearson worked his magic!'"
Then if the figure of £1M for us is right and if they get the same deal that you have set a president for then that will be 2/5 of the origional figure or £400K
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Then if the figure of £1M for us is right and if they get the same deal that you have set a president for then that will be 2/5 of the origional figure or £400K'"
what makes you think you can negotitate the same deal, you don't have the cash to pay a lump sum.
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| After reading 4 pages, can I ask a serious (but probably silly) question please?
What is EBT liability, how does it come about and have other club's released their figures??
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