I suffer from Munchaussens Disease Jake.

I want to change my ways but it's secretly enjoyable.

Why do you have to come out with things like 'Apologists' it's pathetic. Just because people have a different opinion they need to be labelled?

Agar isn't the right man but tonight was about the ref, no question imo. The ref is not to blame for our other defeats and Agar's record but he was a huge factor tonight.

So you pretend that I'm Agar and that's why you dislike me so much?

Makes sense now!

Don't need to look any further than your first sentence Paul.

The term 'apologist' is used left, right and centre on this board yet you suddenly choose to take me to task over its use for no other reason than because you have no argument left besides attempting indignation.

You're better than that.

Why apologists. Some are pro Agar and some are anti Agar. Why do people get given names because they don;t agree with you.

I said the day he was appointed he was not the right man and have not changed my mind but that does not mean everything is his fault.

I have plenty of arguments left in me, tonights game was not a great performance but with a better ref I firmly believe we would have won.

Something like that.

Come to the Bradford game next week and voice your protestations at the ground, or do you think you'll be p!ssing in the wind amongst all the apologists?

You're still doing it, I'm not trying to be patronising but if you seriously think you're fooling anyone with your sudden attempt to be annoyed by the 'apologist' accusation then it's not working. One of the best posters on here (Mrs Barista) freely admits to the tag, while the Expro/Icreaman continues to be allowed to refer to people as 'diks' and 'ringpieces'.

Yet tonight, Paul M is annoyed by the word 'apologists'.

You're having a laugh.

It's perhaps natural that someone from Withernsea should always see the best way to resolve an issue as being within a context of confrontation.

Some of us just don't see life like that though mate.

Annoyed



I am not annoyed I just don't see the need for it. They are not apologists they just see things differently.

I don't care what anyone else says I don't like names being chucked about either by pro or anti Agar fans.

So you're not annoyed, good job.

Why bring it up then?

To distract from the fact you can't really argue with the other stuff I'm saying?

Surely not.

Sadly it's you shouting out the rallying call on a fooking internet forum pleading for people to [iunite[/i.



Wouldn't you be better served attending games and talking to people with the same mindset?

Are you a bit dim tonight? I agree Agar has to go. I don't however blame him for everything or call people apologists etc. A win or a loss changes little imo, he did nothing wrong tonight, it was a decent performance and we should have won the game. We could win the next five and I still would not change my mind.

The FACTS are that he is our coach so all the moaning in the world is not going to change that.

After the Wakey game the crowd were baying for his blood, that was not the case tonight. partly due to the ref and partly due to the fact that we played ok.

I've had enough mate, your bottom line is that if you attend games then you're opinion is worth more than those who have chosen not to/ are unable to.

It's so simplistic that it doesn't deserve a considered response.

If it makes you feel like you're a better fan/care more about the club/ know more about what's best for it then good luck to you.

This thread really wasn't meant to be an argument, it probably wants locking.

'A bit dim tonight?'



Paul you're losing your grip. Lock the thread.

Well you are not getting what I am saying that's why I ask. You ignored the rest of my post!

How anyone can make a judgement on tonights game without being there is baffling

Don't be daft! We're all "sour grapes", was all Agar's fault, AGAR OUT!!

Remind Kosh and the others won't you?

Apparently only just over 3000 people could make a judgement on the game at Quins last week.



If it wasn't a crap enough argument anyway, when you've been getting the same dross served up for the past three years you really don't need to have your face rammed into the moldy main course again, regardless of how badly trained the waitress is.

He's made his judgement, end of.

If I was as frustrated as the lad is though, I'd take some positive action.

Maybe get a sandwich board and parade up and down ouside the KC reception in his school breaks?

I ignored it because in the context of two wins in eleven games the blaming the ref route is a total cop out. You may disagree, as is your right, it just looks bad when the only people really backing you up are 5bellies and the Zebra from With.

Brilliant, we hear hardly anything from old Gaz B when we won last week, now we've lost he's all over the board like a rash. Fair weather protestor if ever there was one!
And with his usual patronizing and condescended manner. It's almost as predictable as sunrise, priceless.

Yeh good point, last week's win at Quins really shut me up.

I said that beating them meant nothing and 5 days later so it has come to prove.

Only this time apparently 'it's the refs fault'



Seriously, as much as we disagree, debating Agar is old news now. FFS let's just focus on putting him in the dole que where he belongs.

At least Jake is consistent.

I think people can make a judgement however the judgement is limited to what comes across on the radio. I have my opinions of tonights game however I agree those at the game have a far better idea of what the true picture is.

2-11 is not acceptable.

Agreeing with what? The ref cost us the game - plenty seem to agree. That Agar needs replacing - plenty agree with that.

So what exactly are you saying?