You mean the games in which many on here called him the MOM.

Let's not judge him before he even plays. We know what he's capable of doing, so let's support him rather then not believe in him, yeh?

He was heavily involved in both of Hull's first tries.

He looked to really threat today, great to see on the first game of the season.

Sums it up for me. he must lay awake at night wondering why the hell he turned down wigan to sign for us

And Rovers tries unfortunately.

Yes you're right. Along with many others.

defence the problem , first match hopefully we can sort it

think if we are saying the same things 7 matches in we got problems, or maybe am looking through rose tinted glasses

Even when we had the ball he wasn't calling the plays from tackle 3 onwards which should be just a given for a number 7. I'm not even talking about "attack" as such but controlling the sets and structure of those exit sets you mention. Standing too shallow on the 5th tackle so he is under pressure for the kick etc. Yes defence was shocking but this thread is about Long. He did some things well but he needs to be setting the tone and making sure those sets run like clockwork.

I thought he was one of the worst tbh.

Started well but was to blame for some poor errors.

Turners kicking was his worst aspect today

I think the best you can say about turner is that he ran hard and enthusiastically when the ball was passed to him 'out the back' early doors. One good pass for a try but he doesn't look like a threat to me, we should be a top rank club and our half backs should reflect this; he doesn't fit the bill. Did we have the most ineffective pairing of the weekend?

I was wondering how our 2 halfs stack up cost wise compared to everyone else's 1st choice. In the top 4 I reckon

For me Turner is the epitome of all that is wrong at Hull Fc: He's stereotypical, almost cardboard-esk, he has no natural flair or instinct and it certainly showed today.
He works well in a set move that comes off (a bit like Yeaman) if it doesn't come off, he's lost.
We desperately need more playmakers in the side, there are plenty of runners, they just need a lot more direction.

we need to be more well drilled wether players are out or not, is it jusst me or if other teams have pivot players injured they still seem to play in the same why and style, look at huddersfield lost a major attacking player in hodgson and replace him with a player in grix who isnt the greatest player is he then they also lose robinson to injury but they still play some great attacking rugby and look well drilled where as we look completly lost

Didn't Saints get to a Grand Final with one or two half backs missing?.
Even if we had our first choice pairing playing, we wouldn't have won today.

Half back's weren't why we didn't win, our poor discipline was and defence was.

They brought Smith back from loan last year to beat Warrington. Hadn't trained with them all year and came in with a MOM performance IIRC.

Money, and he even admitted it.

I think Turner has a lot of potential, but as a Centre. He's never going to be a half back, you can see that now. It's not a criticism, as I like the kid as a player. Just not at No.6.

Atleast you can add Ben Galea to O'meleys B!tch list

I thought we looked better in attack, and in parts throw the ball around better, Rovers are a good side that are well coached, they have the best scrumhalf in the league and a fantasic (again maybe the best) 2nd row partnership.

We really need to work on 3 areas short kickign game, goal line defence and discipline.

If we can get them right we might do Ok this season.

Was impressed with Manu, Moa, O Meley, Houghton, Sharp, Long, Radford (first spell, did he get injured) and Suprisingly Lauaki.

Dowes isn't good enough he needs to go and a few players need to step up.

Lyne is quite ready yet, so hopefully Phelps gets here and Horne is back it will give us more options.

Not too downhearted after yesterday, first game of the season. Glad to have rugby back.

Oh and Agar must spell Fitz and Tickle.

Couldn't agree more Dave, very well put.

agree with most of that. For me there was not a massive difference between the 2 teams, First 15 we had the penalties and field position and converted into points. 2nd 15 they did the same. After that it was down to discsapline a few mistakes.

2nd half they controlled field position much better and we struggled to find ball in good areas.

First hit out of the season not too bad, we certainly looked half decent ball in hand attacking which after the past 2 seasons we have struggled. Long played ok yemo, houghton, and a few others. Thought we struggled with go forwards a little after ogre went off too.

Plenty of things too build on. think we still maybe 2 players light though

Is Radford injured, any news?

Looked really strong in his first spell, rovers where struggling to handle him and O Meley, no shock that when they went off we struggled.

For next week, assuming Phelps isn't here I would drop Dowes bring in Washbrook and play Westerman at LF and Fitzgibbon at prop.