Agree pal, Wire have Simon Moran and Tony Smith.. Hull have Jimmy Rule and Rich Agar.. Thats why your squad is so much better than ours, not cos of petty accusations of cheating.

couldn't agree more... a club the size of hull should be in alot better state than you are... with your fanbase and your facilities you should be right up there.... you're crying out for some good management.

its a well known fact that the fc board will not pay for a top quality coach, until that changes we will always be around the mid-table area! we're prepared to pay £150k or thereabouts for a player, (probably to keep season pass sales going), but unwilling to pay a decent whack on a good coach!

Absolute ing bull.

Wether you agree or not the board have proven their willing to spend outside the cap but think they've got the right man in Agar.

Wire aren't the Manchester City of Rugby League..... we win trophies.

The Salary Cap Year starts on 1st December. We're already in the 2011 SC year. I guess the payoff must have been entered on the books and registered with the RFL by 30th November and so counted on last year's cap.

Bit of a surprise that they had that much cap left unspent last season.

Yeah - I wish we made big losses and relied on one man for our very existence.

you really think agar is a coach who can take us to the grand final? i don't and i'm sure many others out there agree

That isn't what he said. Sheldon was saying that [ithe board[/i think they've got the right man in Agar.

they think they have, the majority don't!

I dont think Agars seemingly never-ending time in charge is down to the board wanting to save money, think its a deeper problem that their whole philosophy re the coaching staff is seriously flawed,.

Jimmy Rule has said to me himself that he doesn't think who the coach is is that important for achieving success as long as we have a good squad in place. This is really worrying and I told him so but he laughed it off.

Also, every time a manager leaves a club in any sport ex-pros are wheeled out in the media to tell us that managers need more time than they get, stability breeds success and inevitebly bring up the Alex Ferguson example of not winning trophies in his first few years at utd. Jimmy seems to have adopted this line of thinking hook line and sinker but in the process forgetting that while giving someone time is all well and good, he needs to be the right man in the first place.

But the [imajority[/i aren't in a position were they are in full power of a top divison rugby league team, are [ithey[/i?

We're making profits, it's a well known fact, and the board don't seem it necessary to spend on 'big name' coaches.

What big losses, you dont know what your talking about, Warrington have been making a profit each year.

But we all know it's inevitable that if they keep splashing their cash and buying quality players that they will.

You have only won 2 trophies, in as many years, since the money has been rolling in. Before this, you were hardly the 'force' in RL which you are now. Is there any wonder why people are questioning your cap?

I would guess that Hicks has retired now, and some / all of his wages for the 2011 season have been paid to him. Because this payment has been made after 1st December, it falls in the 2011 cap year. But it doesn't count towards the 2011 cap, because Hicks won't actually play in the 2011 season. A player's wages only count towards the cap if he plays a first team game in that year.
Probably.

How long do you think Warrington have been operating at full salary cap? I reckon four years at most. At the end of 2005 season we were sufficiently short of maximum cap to afford to pay all that money for Andrew Johns to sign.

You have just explained yourself that when Wire spend their money they win trophies! That is why other fans are questioning the 'elasticity' of the Wire cap.

No significant money to spend - Win no trophies in decades

Lots of money to spend - Win 2 CC cups!

This is the sole reason why other fans are doubting the Wire cap. Numerous huge signings on what seems an impossible cap budget.

You have honestly lost me.

It seems obvious; when Warrington weren't spending the full salary cap they had no chance of winning anything yet when they start to spend the full cap they are in the mix for trophies.

This shows why clunbs should be forced to spend near to the full cap so that all teams are competitive. If a club can't afford to then its goodbye to Super League for them.

So a 8 team competition?

So whats all your superstars on then....Peanuts.

Well done..... You have just proved you know absolutely nothing about our finances.

i do believe wire were close to going under before moran stepped in, correct me if i'm wrong

This proves you don't either.
You have honestly lost me.

It seems obvious; when Warrington weren't spending the full salary cap they had no chance of winning anything yet when they start to spend the full cap they are in the mix for trophies.

This shows why clunbs should be forced to spend near to the full cap so that all teams are competitive. If a club can't afford to then its goodbye to Super League for them.

You've always spent to the cap Andrew Johns was another back pocket payment from Mr Moran.

Just look at your squad if 20 of them are not on
£1,000 to £2000 then you have 20 idiots playing for you.

Example Carvell £165,000 a year with us didn't

go to you for less not with his manager his wife

The Warrington Football Club Limited, aka Warrington Wolves, has accumulated losses of £4.3m and has a note in the accounts that a going concern basis is appropriate because the continued support of its holding company. Its holding company, Warrington Sports Holdings Limited, has accumulated group losses of £2.6m. Perhaps you could point us in the direction of the Warrington Wolves related financial entity that is racking up profits.

Not surprised, I expected him to join Wire, this will strengthen them even more.