On current evidence, he's not even an amateur coach

It didnt take Brown or Maguire two seasons, to transform Huddersfield and Wigan.

your chairman needs to get over to aussie.Ask the best in the business who in there opinion is a top up and coming coach with upto date views on the game..and then do everything to sign him up.

IL did and thank god

I cant see it happening this season. I think Mr Rule will let him have the full season to show what HIS players can do.

They'll only give the job to Dennis Moore anyway. Im not saying he's not good enough but thats what i think they'll do if they sack Agar.

You never know he may resign.

Think you'll find that Dennis Moore was the No2 at Manly, during their two Grand Finals.

Steady!

Gutted!

I watched the wigan v leeds game last night and just thought they played the game at a speed and with an intensity we're unable to. I put it all down to agar. He's not good enough for our great club. I'm sick of watching one out rugby, trying to batter the opposition into submission. Tonight we didn't make one break. We could still be playing and we wouldn't have made one. What a waste of a day and money.

Worst coach in SL. Go now

He hasn't improved any player whatsoever. Looks at Hudds, Brown is now a really potent ball player, Crabtree now looks like a biug tough forward, players like Raleigh have imprved their game. Like you mentioned, Lunt looks to be a cracking player. Hudds still have their limitations as a side but they are very tough to beat and very rarely do they not turn up. It's all down to one man, Nathan Brown.

Wigan look stronger and faster than any other side in the comp. Fielden is completely rejuvenated and every player is playing at a new level. Tomkins the other night for his try, looked like he was resting and yet timed his run to perfection and went straight between two men. He did not need a half back to tell him to do that he simply called the play himself. Defensively they are superb and maintain a really good linespeed througout the match. Again it's all down to one man, McGuire.

There are some really good young coaches aswell as some proven ones in the NRL and I am sure they would be interested in coming over especially with the size of a club like ours and the squad we have aswell as the young players coming through. So lets do the right thing and get one on them. Agar will probably get us into the top 8 and possibly the 6 but he is not the man to turn us into a top side.

I still think players like Horne and Yeaman can improve, infact I am certain of it, these coaches would spot the small things in their game and make them better players aswell as ensure that Briscoe, Hall and Lyne etc reach their potential because personally I am not sure they will under the current set up.

this is the crux, top coaches esp. aussie ones have the ability to work on individual players and make them better players - agar dosn't seem to have this. can't really think on any of our players who have improved a lot as individual players under his stewardship. its all very well saying that its a team game but all the top sides have individuals capable of turning a game with a bit of brilliance or a top individual performance. in our side perhaps only horne is capable of this. long maybe still can but hasnt shown evidence of this yet

As much as i hate to admit it, i think you're spot on. Tonights showing demonstrated they weren't ready mentally and were out-enthused. Is that the players, coach or both. Either way, lets not forget this is now Agar's team so as far as it goes the buck now stops with him.

agree 100% with op, cant fault that pal

add to that
Radford : the biggest plodder in SL, do not renew contract
Yeaman: white elephant , cant pass and was exposed tonight for what he is very average.
Moa : cmon, waste of cap, average at the very best
Tansey: heartless mouse, full back has to have brass uns and he has not!!

AND we missed Cussack didnt we!!!

That's one of my issues, how many times under Agar have we heard 'we didn't turn up with the right attitude'. Okay the players have to take responsibility too but the coaches (not just Agar, but the coaching team) need to take responsibility for this too.

It's not acceptable. Getting beat by a better team is fair enough but getting beat because we were not up for it is inexcusable.

saints - the longy show. Simple as
hudds - good 1st half. Faded in the 2nd. Lucky to win in the end
crusaders - shocking
quins - huffed and puffed and came through against a side with loads of injuries and who won't trouble the 8 this year
cas - apart from one spell after 1/2 time the same assessment of the quins game
wigan - showed us up for what we are
bradford - battered them down the middle in the pouring rain. Lucky their best player was ill or they may have won it in the 1st half
salford - 2nd loss against the bottom 2 sides last season

Probably the least injuries of any side in SL. Slow and ponderous in attack, static in defence. 2009 with less injuries IMO. No new ideas, no real tactics

Hard to argue with any of that.

Yep ,same here. Fully agree with all .

Totally agree !!

One very good performance, 4 wins "ground out" with hard work and 3 total embarrassments. All with one of the strongest squads (on paper) in SL.

Something's got to give !!! .......and it's you Mr. Agar !!!!!

Said at the start of the season his position should be assessed after 10 games and will stick by that. Win the two games at Easter and the start/position in the table will be acceptable. Win one lose one and 12 points from 20 will be just above average. Lose both and the losses to the two lower teams will make the whole picture unacceptable. For sure the Salford and Crusaders defeats have been hard to take and raise big question marks over Agar's ability to motivate the team and make sure all of his players are playing at the top of their game. Easter Monday evening will be the time to decide.

not good enough is it

Better than last season, but it should be with ther personal we have brougt in and we have done pretty well on the injury front so far. Agar IMO isnt up to the job, as others have mentioned we need a top coach to take us onto the next level, I would love to be wrong about Agar but the team isnt leraning from defeats and he is makign the same caoching mistakes as last year. Our tactics are poor.

He has the next 2 games for me, we need to win at leats one of these games and the perforances need to be much improved, certainley at Rovers, as if we carry on our away form we will be in for a heavy defeat.

I hope Rule has his ear to the ground on potential coachs for next year, as I cant see agar getting an extension.

Totalt agree and then see if time to replace Agar.
Can't traval or can't motivate ?

Nope. The thing is though if we win our next two we would be in a very good position. This is why I don't think we should sack him. We are not going to get the type of caoch we want half way through a season. Let Agar see the season out but don't look to renew his contract and start looking now for next season.

Agar is not a bad coach I just don't think he is capable of developing players and moving on to the next level.

My frustration is the type of rugby Agar prefares..

Five drives and a kick..we have some ball handlers now..Long, Tansey and Horne, yet he still thinks driving the pack down the middle will win games, unless he becomes more expansive we will suffer as the pitches dry out, this was very apparent ot Salford. Good teams will just tire us out and ship out, even I know that and I am a girl

I understand the frustration and boy did I feel frustrated on Saturday but I don't agree with all of your analysis.:
1. Our results are better than last years over all so far this year (team versus team).
2. There is real structure to our attack - the try that Lyne scored was from a very structured attack, the try that Hall scored from the scrum was a planned move, the try that Tansey scored against Bradford before half-time was well-rehed and well executed (there are other examples). Last year we would have probably squandered the opportunity in all examples (the Lyne try would never even have been on the cards). What was missing on Saturday was patience - we rarely gave ourselves the field position we needed to mount serious attacks on the line. When we did we scored (e.g. the Lyne try).
3. I think our pack have plenty of mobility and pace including both O'Meley and Moa who have pace in the front row.
4. The key thing is that it is still a very new team who need time to gel around our half-back pairing and, yet again, our two first choice half-backs have hardly ever taken the field together. Here is where one of our main problems is imo.
5. Another main fault that I see is the defence. If we want to play free-flowing rugby we are likely to spill the ball a lot and, therefore, must be able to back it up with powerful, dominating and steadfast defence.
6. Finally, these fantastic Aussie coaches: do we really, as fans, want to watch Huddersfield/Wigan-esque spoiling tactics every week or do we want the free-flowing style that people so often extol the virtues of on here? As for Huddersfield and Wigan etc - let's wait until they win something with their fantastic coaches. It is only a quarter of the way through the season and, as we all know, the only constant is change. For example, look at the different interpretation at the play-the-ball over the weekend. The referees could completely mess up Wigan and Huddersfield's most potent weapon in one fell swoop by changing their outlook.
7. I am still not convinced about Agar but I think it's too early to get over-excited. There are other teams (and coaches) doing a lot worse than Hull. (

6 wasn't "finally" after all)

I don't think it's so much about points as who we've lost to and the way we're playing.

If we'd lost at saints and home to hudds but won at crusaders and salford and at least put in a decent performance at wigan we'd all be much happier. As it is our 2 best performances are a distant memory and it's looking like 2009 all over again.

At least in 2009 we had massive injury problems and a team who were out on the pish every night

Yes I understand that but nonetheless were we to beat KR away and Wire at home it would likely mean we had played well in both games and therefore previous form could be put down to blips etc. 14 points from 20 wouldn't be sackable form even if the make up of those 14 points was not what anyone expected.

I am not confident of victory in either game TBH and 2 more defeats should see the end of his tenure. As you rightly say we have put in some poor performances as well as some good ones this season and the key thing would be to see some improvement in performance. At the minute we appear to be going backwards and if that continues in the next 2 games then

Rich.