Sorry, my mistake. Didn't realise we should settle for mediocrity because finding an alternative may need some effort

Put it this way, if Agar resigned/sacked and on the other side of the world Wayne Bennett did the same , who would be the next coach of Hull ?

Exactly

But the upside to that is we would be able to flog the Sharpy Says Relax T Shirts again

Thats the reality though, the board would not go out and appoint a top class coach while Jon Sharp is already here, it would be so much cheaper, and as I say I dont think any coach could come in and turn things around drastically in the short term, we need quality building and recruitment over a number of years.

True, but neither agar or sharp are the men to do it

Yes and Jon Sharp.

Like you had before doing a great job of dismantling it over the last 3 yrs???

I don't. And funnily enough, neither does he. The players did that pretty much under their own steam after deliberately getting shot of Kear.

How much support from the board does Agar need to pick the right players? How much support does he need to get his tactics right? How much support does he need to pick the right bench and use his interchanges correctly?

The only way 'support from above' could come into it would be if players aren't doing what they're told and aren't being disciplined for it.

End of the season when (if) his new recruits for this year are on board and we've secured a new top scrum half/captain/organiser. Obviously if things haven't worked out by then decisions will have to be made. Absolutely pointless sacking him in advance of that. Pointless.

Twice

Do you think its a coincidence that both ourselves and Leeds are going through a bit of a slump at the minute when we are both under the same Hetherington umbrella.The problems are much deeper than the coach, I do believe that Agar has one arm tied behind his back in some respects and for the last 5 years or so i dont think the coach has had the complete freedom to pick his team. I think its always a case os Vig brother is watching you so a more cautious approach is adopted. Where as at Saints for example full confidence is put into the coach and i think this is reflected in the players performance on the field.

Why do you think this?

Because ever since Mcrae left there just has not been enough confidence shown in the coach. Players who were not performing and clearly didnt deserve there place were allowed to get away with these antics which i think has seen the disiplin drift away from the club. Just seems to me that somebody from higher up was pulling strings when it came to team selection especially when Kear was here. Just look at him now with full unquestioned backing.

You reckon? Do you think season pass sales, merchandise sales, sponsorship etc will stand up to another season of boring rugby, losing against teams we should be beating and not even finishing in the play offs?

For all those who say we should stick with agar because there's nothing better available, get real, it's killing the club slowly but surely

It's just my opinion. Plenty of the season left yet for us if we can get more of our better players on the field. If we are as you predict out of the playoffs at season end i think he should probably be replaced - in time for season pass renewals and alike. I would say that those who want [iyet another [/ichange of coach before some of his first set of recruits as head coach have even played for the team are the ones who should get real.

I was in favour of Agar getting the job, but i think it has been a big mistake. He is just following the guidelines set down by Peter Sharp. I thought he would bring some attack minded coaching to the team but all i have seen is poor tactical decision, unawareness during the game to bring on the right subs at the right times. And much more

The more time he is given the more he will run this team into the ground LITERALLY. Dowes/Manu/CUsack et al are playing far too many minutes during most games and it isn;t like it is down to injuries.

As much as I don't rate Agar, he isn't the one responsible for the horrendous recruitment for the last 5 years. Almost every player we've lost has been replaced by inferior players. I don't believe the youth structure has failed us, I think the standard of Hull lads is as high as it's been in years, the difference is that they are surrounded by very average players now and don't look as good because of this. Berrigan aside, I can't think of a decent signing since Kearney. Even the much berated Thorman would've looked good most of the time for the 2004 side. There are coaches such as Brian Smith that can make poor sides come together as a team and play well but those kind of coaches are very rare. A change can make a squad pull together and improve but we can't overlook the fact that our squad is at very best average.

Fair enough. My opinion is that agar isn't good enough. The club are one of the 3 biggest clubs in the SL in terms of support and infrastructure and we should attract a coach of equalo quality, not a former assistant coach with minimal head coach experience. Did leeds, saints or wigan appoint an unknown into their head coach roles? agar was a cheap option and the gamble has backfired badly

listen you will not lose today im sure of it be positive and get behind your team they need you now more than ever good luck fc

The bookies have you as odds on favourites

Stop being so supportive and positive. It's not wanted around here

thanks for that but its hard to be optimistic at the minute

Agreed

Pretty good assessment IMO. Agar's recruitment hasn't been that bad given the limitations of salary cap already allocated to existing contracts and the issues with Dykes and Carvell. Hardly his fault that his two major signings are stuck waiting for visas and other top players are out injured.

If we even looked capable of playing the basics of the game I could accept that. As it is, he has had his 1st choice 1/2 backs available pretty much all season yet we still look clueless with the ball. We are also slow and predictable with ball in hand.

That's been the case, to a greater or lesser extent, for longer than Agar has been in charge. I'm not attempting to defend Agar as a coach, but the squad is also inadequate. He shouldn't need to coach professional RL players in the basics.

The point that I was agreeing with is that we have a poor/average side that Agar largely inherited, and he is not a good enough coach to get those players playing to a reasonable standard.