Need a new coach ams owner or things won't change.

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Anybody dare post the Tony Smith thread up when he was announced?
Just for a laugh like.

Wouldn't be pretty (including myself in that).

Hasn't been given the tools of previous coaches, but still hasn't worked out.

Hammer House of Horror material for just about all.

Financially he may have his hands tied, however within in his game plan he must instill the basics, run hard, tackle, complete your sets, have a good kick chase, don’t give away any penalties. Keep it tight in the first 10-15 minutes

In 5/6 games, I think we have conceded a try in the first 5 minutes. The other being London, who took 14 minutes to take the lead.

I would prefer Tony’s brother Brian back until the end of the season, he would get more of a tune from this squad than Tony has.

I'm not sure if sacking Smith would solve anything (I get the feeling that some issues are so deep-set they have become virtually immoveable) but it's certain that sticking with him will almost certainly see these horror shows being repeated week after week after week until our games are being watched by around 200 people!!

Whether it's Smith, his methods, Gene, the players trying to get him sacked, I don't know, but we have now gone beyond the point of no return. Something, somewhere has to change, we can't simply roll along like this any longer, every week that passes is doing irreparable harm to this once great club, soon there will be nothing left to build back on.

If this is another case of player-power attempting to get rid of yet another coach they don't like, well tell the players they can coach and pick a team themselves and see how far they get. At least they, and they alone, would then be accountable for their own actions.

Think pretty much everyone wanted him to be given the job when the rumours started but he needs to go.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ts-9185210 He's lost the plot

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ts-9185210 He's lost the plot

Personally I was happy we appointed him. In fact, I thought we should have gone for him back in 2019 when KR did as things clearly weren't working for Radford then. Yes, it finished on a bit of a soar note at Rovers for Smith but you could see the improvement he had made there. He laid the foundations that they are currently kicking on from. His pedigree and credentials spoke for themselves. Not ashamed to admit that.

But something's not right. I don't think it's just Smith though. It's a rot within the club itself.

Pretty much everyone

I don't buy too much into player power.

Professional rugby is a short career and typically 2 or 3 year contracts (I know we like to buck that trend).

They are always in the shop window and playing for the next contract. They wouldn't jeopardise their livelihoods.

By contrast to other Super League teams we are slow, tactically inept, unmotivated, uncoordinated, rudderless, lethargic, passionless and confused.

Those are all Managerial/coaching remits.

I don't believe this is a team that can do much at its best because it's poorly put together (another managerial failing) but it is certainly more able then we are seeing.

Just about all, but there’s exception isn’t there?

Somebody who now looks very wise (wize?), with his house of cards metaphor.

Elegantly done!

The fans are fed up and ed off and he consistently comes out with this uninspiring "stick with us", "it takes time", "results like this happen" bull. If we were seeing signs of improvement you could believe what he says and that we're working towards something, but we're worse now than what he joined the club.

We look the worst coached team by a country mile. We've got nothing either side of the ball. With it we just plod around aimlessly, then put in a terrible kick or forget its the last tackle and pass it to a prop. Without it our contact in defence is pish poor, teams get god know how many after contact metres. We're all at sea when teams get in our 20 and just feels inevitable they will score.

We've had one win against an under equipped London team that we had to snatch in the last minute, other than that every other game has seen us comfortably the second best team.

Id love the club to host an open training session to see what they all get up to.

How he thinks his job is safe is beyond me. We should be interviewing potential head coaches now, I doubt our owner and CEO are that on the ball though.

I dont think there are many coaches that could have done a worse job than Smith
Keep saying this but tell me one thing Smith has done that has enhanced us on the field?

I thought you could go to the Uni and watch them train whenever you like?

Man that was horrendous again it's not losing it's just so many points against that smacks of players that don't give a toss and have no pride. Pride in the shirts and respect for the fans is all we really ask isn't its? It's really getting to me now with no hope on the horizon at all. AND there's the away game from hell looming. That total inertia and lack of wanting in defence is certainly not the hallmarks of my beloved team at all. It's getting like that second season in Super League under Lloyd. I hope Tony is getting an additional fee because he appears to be the clubs sole spokesman no one else says anything or gives us any reasons to have some hope. When he says his job is safe because Adam gets it I think it means that Adam gets that it's going to cost a fortune to get rid of him!

His bull must be good for the grass

When Smith was at HKR he also signed a bunch of duds
The lads that came from Bradford were all brought to the club by a guy previously working at Bradford

As a Warrington fan, I obviously have fond memories and eternal gratitude to Smith for what he achieved with us. However, he's only been successful when he's taken ready-built teams like he had at Leeds and Warrington and got them to gel into something wonderful. Whenever he's built his own team (like he did in his later Warrington years and at HKR) he's not really done much at all. I want him to do well, but I just don't think the Hull job was right for him. Shame he didn't inherit the team Radford had.

Reading Tony Smith's solution to our situation .
"We have to train harder"
"We have to be more determined with the way we're training ,and the intensity of training "
This is appalling !!
Isnt this the responsibility of the individual who is leading the training session?
There is no wonder, why the team is performing the way it is .
Jack Gibson said "Winning starts on Monday ,If you prepare well, you play well"
(Granted, we only have 1 conditioner at the club, who was an ex data analyst )
When Maguire took over at Wigan, it only took 6 weeks to change the attitude & culture ,
the big difference , the hierarchy gave him, a fully resourced backroom staff.
Adam Pearson's attitude of cutting all costs,this is showing zero ambition,this has filtered all the way throughout the organisation .
As they say 'The fish rots from the head '

We’re using the wrong measurement !
You’re looking at results instead of the
Important data

CULTURE - Tony is here to change the
Culture like a good yoghurt

So forget results and ask yourself “ has the culture improved ?”