I see your point with this but not sure I fully agree with it. I would say last week that Whiting's tries were more game changers than Tom's late effort. His two tries (and Holdsworth's conversions) allowed us to level the score and take the lead so I would argue that was more game changing than Tom's late effort (as spectacular as it was).

Maybe people are making that comparison because that's exactly what a professional sportsman does when he moves clubs - it's just a change of job to them. Only the fans attach greater significance to it than that.

Very true.

Agreed, the only "issue" here is that Tom [ireportedly[/i said he wouldn't sign for another SL side, I don't recall it being a direct quote from Tom himself, and, as yet, he hasn't signed for anyone that we know of.

We're discussing fans reactions, as fans. I don't expect his team mates to think of it any other way than how you say, but that's not what's being discussed or claimed.

You could say that by being a star player, of great importance to the team and not signing a contract, that signing for a rival club could be Cooke-esque. But that would be silly.

is he really of great importance?

It would be silly unless he walked out halfway through a contract and refused to play for us again. Leaving at the end of a contract is totally different.

As regards the fans' views, I don't doubt that some of them see it differently to the players, what I'm saying is that they shouldn't. If a player wishes to leave at the end of a contract (and they put the effort in during the contract), that's really no different to you or I changing company to improve our income/conditions/prospects.

I don't disagree, and maybe not the best example (I was just continuing on from a previous comment TBH), and I think we're fortunate to have a couple of players with that ability (Whiting being one). My point was mainly that Tom is a player who can change a game, not that he does it every game.

In the context of the post, it was an embellishment.

Without getting into the Cooke thing again, that's not what happened.

In the fans eyes, it's not the same at all. Don't really see the point in bringing 'normality' into it, it's incomparable.

Whatever your opinion is of what actually happened, it wasn't the same as a player completing his contract then moving to another club for more money/better prospects. Or anything like it.



In some fans' eyes, perhaps. I know of plenty of others, myself included, who take a very different view.



Only to someone who doesn't know a valid comparison when they see one.

0/3

That's a poor response, even by your standards.

Your post got the time and effort it deserved.

Or you were unable to form a coherent rebuttal, so decided to opt for a childish '0/3' instead.

I saw no real point in arguing about it anymore. I don't think that, from a fans point a view, a player potentially leaving for a rival team is comparable to a regular person moving jobs, you do. Neither of us are going to change our minds, so what's the point?

You could explain how it's different?, someone has completed and agreed contract and is moving on because, they believe, it's the right thing for them and their family.

Is Miller joining us a sign of his inferior qualities as a human being, or Holdsworth when he left Salford, double standards, I think that is what RG is getting at.

If I sell my house and move to a bigger one because I need more room, am I being disloyal to my former neighbours?

As I said in an earlier post, any player who joins us is obviously untrustworthy and disloyal, having walked out on their previous employers (irrespective of whether or not they have seen out their contract).

Its time some people on this forum took a good look at themselves. Tom will do what is best for himself, as would any one of us.

Just as an afterthought, I really hope Tom doesn't read this forum. If he did, he would realise the low esteem in which he is held by certain individuals and will think that leaving is the best thing he can do.

Well, that would have been a better response than your first one, and the subsequent one for that matter.

However, I wasn't arguing that [iyou[/i shouldn't think that, I was arguing that not [uall[/u fans think that. Let's refresh:



Here I was arguing that Cooke's situation was entirely different to Briscoe's (should he decide to leave). As you awarded me '0/3', I can only assume you think differently. I'd be interested to know what you consider the similarities between Cooke's move to Hull KR and Briscoe's potential move to, say, Salford to be.



Here I was stating that [isome[/i fans view the situation exactly as I do - that players are merely employees of the club and that it's quite understandable that they will move to another club if a better deal is offered (once their contractual obligations have been fulfilled). Indeed, there is at least one more fan on this thread that thinks that way. That's not to say that some don't view it differently, but again, as you have awarded my post '0/3', one can only assume that you have carried out an exhaustive poll of the fanbase and determined that those who do view players moving clubs as being the same as another person moving jobs are statistically insignificant.



Here I was arguing against your assertion that a player moving clubs is 'not comparable' to another person changing jobs. This is clearly wrong. Yes, there are differences, but there are also many similarities. You could have said, "it's a valid comparison, but not one I agree with", but to say the two may not be compared is ridiculous.

Right, just for you Standee.
I don't think it's comparable because ordinary companies don't have a loyal fan base of 10,000+. I also don't think it's comparable as there isn't any emotional attachment to an employee from outside fans in any other industry quite like Sport, which leads to a sense of 'us v them' and tribalism within the sport, defined by your club colours.
I also can understand how people may feel resentment towards Tom if he does leave for another SL club. When he was going to the NRL, it was believed he was doing so to better himself, test and prove himself against the best players in the world in the best domestic competition in the world. As this was not going to affect Hull FC in anyway (in terms of playing against us) this was acceptable to some fans.
By moving to a rival team, in a competition he has already proved himself in and can have an adverse affect on Hull FC, there can only be two reasons:

1. Money (hard to believe ha can earn more elsewhere) or;
2. He thinks he has a better chance winning something somewhere else. This is a particular slap in the face to some fans, as it means he doesn't share the belief felt and shown by AP, PG or the fans that we will be challenging too. This is what leads to the animosity.

Or if a waiter who has worked at a particular restaurant for five years is offered a better salary (or conditions, or prospects) with a competitor, should he stay put because his regular customers will be disappointed that he's leaving?

you propsed your viewpoint and haven't backed it up as to why it is valid and should be taken up as the 'fans view'.
Whilst following team sports is oft a very 'tribal' affair those of us where the sun is yellow and the sky is blue can differentiate between a sporting professional leaving a team having done his utmost on the field of play & fullfilling contractual agreements to say someone whom leaves one tribe to go fight with another against the very people they had left with the intention of doing actual real harm. Likewise with defectors whom have served to defend the interests of a country and its citizens to then turn against them by 'signing' for another team.

Clearly there are some like yourself that cannot make that leap between what is an acceptable everyday occurence such as leaving your job to move to another company within the same field (player transfer within the same sport) to the mostly unnacceptable changing of sides that often involves people getting hurt/killed or brings about suffering...which isn't normal.
You and your Tom Briscoe* haters (*replace with your own choice of any FC player that has ever left the club in the last 147.5 years) need to face up to the fact that your viewpoint has ZERO basis whatsoever & whilst you can obviously have a viewpoint given this is an open forum, don't make it out to be the viewpoint of fans when that viewpoint has no credibility whatsoeve.
As I said previously your vitriol is not appreciated by this FC fan nor do we want so called FC fans who seemingly have agendas with no basis behind them or those pulling out fictitious random b0ll0x out of their asses berating & potentially damaging the players who play for us with pride..thanks

Ok, you have your opinion. I don't share that opinion as per the reasons stated above in the post to Standee.

Different to what you see it being