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| Quote ="Kosh"That's fair enough, but I think you're overestimating that side of what happened last night. If you take a look at his attempt to do exactly that with his formal complaint to the BBC today, you'll see that he's just opened himself up to even more ridicule.
Alright, so you may get a handful of people who might use his 'mistreatment' as an excuse to say that they now support him (like that dim bint from Oldham on the news today). But TBH anyone that stupid was probably a lost cause anyway.'" There's lots of them though! these are exactly the kind of people we need to be educating to help them realize.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"The sad fact though Kosh is that today the BNP are everywhere you look, the BBC and particularly QT have done nothing more than sensationalise them.'"
The alternative was to deny them their freedom of speech, or to deny the audience members their freedom of speech.
Democracy is sometimes messy like that, and frequently less than perfect. It's all about human beings after all.
Quote ="east hull FC fan"It will galvanise their party.'"
Good. If it makes them overconfident they're more likely to slip up and reveal their true selves.
Quote ="east hull FC fan"Why didn't anyone question him on other issues like education or the NHS or the mockery that is our postal service? we all know what he was going to say last night, so why not pull him apart politically and not morally?'"
As I've already said, this is the one part of last night that disappointed me. The quite understandable moral outrage got a little out of hand and could have been directed better. I primarily blame the other panelists and Dimbleby TBH.
I hardly think it was the PR disaster that some are making out, however.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"There's lots of them though! these are exactly the kind of people we need to be educating to help them realize.'"
Good luck with that. People that far gone are simply not capable of being shown the truth in my experience. If they've managed to avoid being educated about the BNP despite the constant opprobrium directed at them by every major media outlet then one edition of QT is going to make precisely zero difference one way or the other.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The alternative was to deny them their freedom of speech, or to deny the audience members their freedom of speech.
Democracy is sometimes messy like that, and frequently less than perfect. It's all about human beings after all.
Good. If it makes them overconfident they're more likely to slip up and reveal their true selves.
As I've already said, this is the one part of last night that disappointed me. The quite understandable moral outrage got a little out of hand and could have been directed better. I primarily blame the other panelists and Dimbleby TBH.
I hardly think it was the PR disaster that some are making out, however.'" The alternative is to not recognize them as a political party as they are illegal. The BNP has more exposure now than it ever did, that's worrying to me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I really do think that you're making way too much of this. It wasn't perfect, and was a bit cringeworthy in places, but it was hardly an infringement of the fascist pig's freedom of speech. If you're that interested in what he has to say there will be ample opportunity to sample his pearls of wisdom in the future.'"
I just think it became an off current topic or current affairs witch hunt , not that I agree with the BNP but it was without doubt a very biased and seems pre planned "lets make him look a tit " orgy!! what they should have done is led him into current affairs, education and health etc and he would have naturally flaoundered however I believe he may also have had a view or two.. we shall now never know
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"The alternative is to not recognize them as a political party as they are illegal. The BNP has more exposure now than it ever did, that's worrying to me.'"
unfortunately they are a democratically elected party with regional seats i am afraid so thats an impossibility, and to be fair if we are the grand daddy culture of democracy then they should be allowed their moment on the goggle box, however National geographic and the history channel teaches us nightly that the Nazi party came from much smaller seedlings than the BNP and without the national media platforms they use in todays society to get their issues across...
Rekmember there are high flying senior military and police in their ranks so beware
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| "Rekmember there are high flying senior military and police in their ranks so beware"
So beware of what,what sort of a statement is that to make.
It was supposed to be a political debate covering a variety of issues which seem to have been lost in translation
" freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests" taken from the definition of democracy make of it what you will
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| Quote ="snaflr""Rekmember there are high flying senior military and police in their ranks so beware"
So beware of what,what sort of a statement is that to make.
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It was supposed to be a political debate covering a variety of issues which seem to have been lost in translation
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" freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests" taken from the definition of democracy make of it what you will'"
was a general warning about the merits of the BNP in general not last nights so called debate, anyway its chip paper now they will never have any real teeth so lets forget it ..
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| I watched it last night and conclude that the only reason he came across as a complete tit is not because it was a pre-planned ambush, but because he IS a complete tit! When he started to try to explian the policy on race he was shot down at every turn, not because it was biased but because it is a silly policy and when debated will always look silly.
The fact he was on the show is a demonstration of the freedom our country has, sometimes that freedom is hard or unpleasant.
Who has the right to choose who should and who should not speak?
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for the other forms that have already been tried.
Hopefully it will have opened the potential Protest Voter to re think who they should vote for in protest
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| It seems like this forum is just as good as last night's QT. Lots of people jumping on the "let's all slag the BNP" bandwagon.
Last night's programme was a joke and wasn't helped by the usual impartial chair being not so impartial.
Nick Griffin is an intelligent man with a lot of common sense views which strike a chord with many people. It just seems like most people think it's easier or more politically correct to extremely oppose those views.
In general, he was treat very poorly last night and the biggest loss was QT's respect as an impartial political programme,
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| I was initially against the BBC giving this nazi party any airtime at all but to be fair, anyone who for whatever reasons have voted BNP in the past, must have seen through Griffin as he lied and bumbled his way through the show. His debating skills were shown up as a sham and his nervous answers when asked about his past beliefs blantantly shone through.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"It seems like this forum is just as good as last night's QT. Lots of people jumping on the "let's all slag the BNP" bandwagon.
Last night's programme was a joke and wasn't helped by the usual impartial chair being not so impartial.
Nick Griffin is an intelligent man with a lot of common sense views which strike a chord with many people. It just seems like most people think it's easier or more politically correct to extremely oppose those views.
In general, he was treat very poorly last night and the biggest loss was QT's respect as an impartial political programme,'"
Utter garbage.
People oppose the BNP because of their racist policies and grossly offensive views. It's nothing to do with "political correctness".
Griffin is a former member of the fascist National Front, he is a holocaust denier ("the holohoax" as he once referred to it) and he has a conviction for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred. Not what I call "common sense".
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Agree with everything. But I suppose he was eventually going to be given a right to speak. Agree with Gordon as well, he may spout tosh but he will answer a question. Lets hope other MPs take note of that and not answer questions with questions.
Griffen reminds me a little of Scargill, My grandad once said 'That Scargill's a clever bugger you know but by god if he ever got a brain he'd be dangerous'.'" I to was like your granddad about Scargill But what he did say That if the Miners get beat the rest of the Country would suffer ..Now right he was Hospitals/Buses /Trains you name it the Bitch in charge Privatized everything ![Question icon_confused.gif:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_question.gif)
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Utter garbage.
People oppose the BNP because of their racist policies and grossly offensive views. It's nothing to do with "political correctness".
Griffin is a former member of the fascist National Front, he is a holocaust denier ("the holohoax" as he once referred to it) and he has a conviction for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred. Not what I call "common sense".'"
I suppose your content to greet people with "happy holidays" at Christmas in order not to upset any muslims are you ??
Our country has been filled with foreign scroungers and religious freaks who, on the whole, detest us and everything for which we stand but they like our standard of living and our handouts.
Anyone from anywhere should be allowed to come to our country as long as they accept our way of life and have something to offer in the way of a trade of some kind but we all know that this is not the case and our immigration is an utter shambles. Nick Griffin is merely stating that this is clearly not right and that many people are sick to the back teeth of it.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Nick Griffin is an intelligent man with a lot of common sense views which strike a chord with many people. It just seems like most people think it's easier or more politically correct to extremely oppose those views.'"
No. He's a vile racist and not particularly bright. His only talent is conning the gullible and even less bright into thinking otherwise.
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| Im afraid the panel missed a golden chance last night to bury them for good.
Like a rabbit in headlights they turned every question into a bash the BNP and look at us answer.
Questions about the problems we face going into an election would have had him floundering.
The one question on everyones lips about immigration was bombed by the lot. Jack Straw was going great guns and then a question about current problems killed him.
Now Griffen has complained and offered a one on one debate with Labour and the Cons. They wont accept and so some people will assume he's right.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I suppose your content to greet people with "happy holidays" at Christmas in order not to upset any muslims are you ??
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No, because I am rationally minded, unlike Nick Griffin or yourself by the sounds of it.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I suppose your content to greet people with "happy holidays" at Christmas in order not to upset any muslims are you ?'"
Im not. Its Happy Christmas for me. If other faiths dont like it tough. I dont ask anything of them and I sure they wont ask anything of me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"No. He's a vile racist and not particularly bright. His only talent is conning the gullible and even less bright into thinking otherwise.'"
So anyone who actually thinks that he talks some sense is gullible and even less bright ?? Thank you very much !!
Surely that's just as absurd as you being a sheep that just follows the politically correct bandwagon and probably votes for Lab or Lib Dem ???
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"No, because I am rationally minded, unlike Nick Griffin or yourself by the sounds of it.'"
I'm very rationally minded thank you !! I can also make my own mind up as to whether someone talks some sense from time to time.
I suppose anyone who actually agrees with some of his views is a nazi racist thug or something similar ??? That couldn't be further from the truth.
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| As was pointed out last night, not everyone who agrees with their stance on immigration is a racist, and some would do well to remember this.
It would be interesting to see peoples reaction if a party that wasn't awash with racist history proposed the same plan.
I actually agreed with him that people who choose to live in our country should respect our way of life and follow our laws. I would never vote for them though because of their racist undertone.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"As was pointed out last night, not everyone who agrees with their stance on immigration is a racist, and some would do well to remember this.
It would be interesting to see peoples reaction if a party that wasn't awash with racist history proposed the same plan.
I actually agreed with him that people who choose to live in our country should respect our way of life and follow our laws. I would never vote for them though because of their racist undertone.'"
Said it previously, if you want to live in our country and have all its benefits, speak the language, abide by all rules and regulations and whatever faith you follow dont throw it in my face.
If thats racist the countrys fuc£ed.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"It seems like this forum is just as good as last night's QT. Lots of people jumping on the "let's all slag the BNP" bandwagon.
Last night's programme was a joke and wasn't helped by the usual impartial chair being not so impartial.
Nick Griffin is an intelligent man with a lot of common sense views which strike a chord with many people. It just seems like most people think it's easier or more politically correct to extremely oppose those views.
In general, he was treat very poorly last night and the biggest loss was QT's respect as an impartial political programme,'"
- Sorry but have to disagree...
Question Time is exactly what is says it is - it is 'Question Time' and if somebody wants to sit on the panel then good luck to them ... It was impartial given the fact that people (the vast majority of the population of the UK) in the audience wanted to to ask questions and challenge views - that is Democracy at it's best...!!!
For me personally it has nothing to do with Political Correctness to challenge his views... more like Common Decency and that fortunately for many people is what really counts.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"As was pointed out last night, not everyone who agrees with their stance on immigration is a racist, and some would do well to remember this.
It would be interesting to see peoples reaction if a party that wasn't awash with racist history proposed the same plan.
I actually agreed with him that people who choose to live in our country should respect our way of life and follow our laws. I would never vote for them though because of their racist undertone.'"
Every political party believes that, though. It doesn't give the BNP or Nick Griffin any credit.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I'm very rationally minded thank you !! I can also make my own mind up as to whether someone talks some sense from time to time.
I suppose anyone who actually agrees with some of his views is a nazi racist thug or something similar ??? That couldn't be further from the truth.'"
No not a Nazi racist thug but an 'Indigenous' White person - you must be that one person - can you tell me how I trace back to the beginning of time - was it before the Vikings?
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