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| I have serious concerns about Agar and Last at the helm of the team, is anyone else concerned or is it just me being paranoid? I'm not knocking either person here i just feel there is a distinct lack of experience (at the top level).
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| Quote ="Robbo4"My main concern about this situation is the familiarity the players will have with Agar and Last and the possiblity that we will just carry on where we left off. I'm quite prepared to give Rich my full backing here and really hope he can turn us into a successful side. Having said that I do have my doubts and worry that Rich has been too close to the action to perhaps be objective enough to make the touch decisions. Time will tell I suppose but for now I will reserve judgement and hope the board and Agar have got this right.'"
Maybe he has the respect of the players and will get the best from them and as professionals they should accept he is now the head coach.
The reason he has been given the job could be that in his meeting with the board he has outlined his plans for the future and is indeed prepared to be totally objective in his decisions regardless of how tough they maybe?
The above could be the reason he has been given the job, who knows.
All I know is that things can only get better.
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| Quote chico's nose
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Got to say that I am not overly excited by this appointment. I feel that it is an indication that the board is doing things on the cheap, yet again. That said I will give Agar and the team my full support and wish them every success.
I suppose we will never know if Hull sounded out Folkes for the vacant job, but either way I feel that it is an opportunity missed. Agar has bags of potential, and every coach needs to be given a chance at some point, but with Folkes we would have had a tried and tested coach. If he comes over to the super league at some point I believe that he will be one of the most experienced coaches to every come to the league. And I think that is what we need right now. It is not every day a top coach with bags of experience comes on the market and I really think that we have missed the boat on this one.
I am also surprised people are happy just because the players like Agar. If I was on the board the thought of who the players may or may not like would not cross my mind. The players are obviously going to say they like him as it is a case of better the devil you know.
This is not a rant about Agar, as I do believe that he has the potential and will hopefully deliver the goods. But I do think that the board has yet again been short sighted with this appointment.
Here’s hoping that I am proved wrong and the board have made the right appointment.
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hullbg wrote: That to me is one of the reason he could make a good coach, players have favoured positions and play better usually in that favoured position. Wingers and centres are usually comfortable at either side of the pitch so if a player has expressed a favoured side to the coach surely its worth playing them there for a couple of matches to see if his game improves.
I doubt Agar has done it just to appease the player but to try and get the best out of him.
On the other hand, moving Hall to the left had given our most dangerous winger - Raynor - more and better quality service than he's had since joining the club. Moving Yeaman back was a backward step IMO.
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| Richard Agar is a young British Coach who has been groomed by Hull FC for this moment.
Why are people surprised ? When Kear went, Agar was not ready .
He now obviously feels he is ready. If an Aussie had come in he may of wanted Agar out . Hull must think highly of him.
I for one am pleased we have chosen the British option and not gone for the "panic" Big name Aussie. People moan and groan about GB being unable to compete internationally. They never will if the Brits are not given a chance . This is also what the Franchise era is about . Young British players and Coaches entering into the fray , instead of highly paid Aussies or New Zealanders milking Clubs for their retirement fund.
Hopefully Hetherington will give Agar the Finances to bolster his squad for 2009 .
On Sunday in defeat we played more Rugby than we had done all season. His style must differ from Sharp`s.
With R.Horne , Dykes , Motu , Whiting , King and Berrigan on the field we would have beaten Saints.
THE KING IS DEAD , LONG LIVE KING RICHARD !
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| And pray tell how many times has Hall passed to Raynor this season? Most of Raynors tries come from kicks because of our inabilty to bring the backs into the game.
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| So far Agar has done little wrong for me as he has had little time to and it made a change to hear the coach of our team pin point the areas he thought we were weak in and actually sound like he is capable of addressing these etc instead of the usual "we were patchy", "got babies playing" etc no disrespect to Sharp.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Source? Link?'"
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| Quote ="Chris71"think he needs someone in a DOR role to help him though with off field stuff at this level.'"
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"Richard Agar is a young British Coach who has been groomed by Hull FC for this moment.
Why are people surprised ? When Kear went, Agar was not ready .
He now obviously feels he is ready. If an Aussie had come in he may of wanted Agar out . Hull must think highly of him.
I for one am pleased we have chosen the British option and not gone for the "panic" Big name Aussie. People moan and groan about GB being unable to compete internationally. They never will if the Brits are not given a chance . This is also what the Franchise era is about . Young British players and Coaches entering into the fray , instead of highly paid Aussies or New Zealanders milking Clubs for their retirement fund.
Hopefully Hetherington will give Agar the Finances to bolster his squad for 2009 .
On Sunday in defeat we played more Rugby than we had done all season. His style must differ from Sharp`s.
With R.Horne , Dykes , Motu , Whiting , King and Berrigan on the field we would have beaten Saints.
THE KING IS DEAD , LONG LIVE KING RICHARD !'"
I agree to some extent and understand what you are saying. But Folkes is a proven coach with bags of experience. He would not have been a panic appointment and would have been able to develop the local lads within our squad. This could potentially had a positive knock on effect for England.
Don't forget, he would not be coming here to make a name for himself and then bugger off, he has been there, done it and got the t-shirt.
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"On Sunday in defeat we played more Rugby than we had done all season.'"
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| Quote Richard Agar is a young British Coach who has been groomed by Hull FC for this moment.
Why are people surprised ? When Kear went, Agar was not ready .
He now obviously feels he is ready. If an Aussie had come in he may of wanted Agar out . Hull must think highly of him.
I for one am pleased we have chosen the British option and not gone for the "panic" Big name Aussie. People moan and groan about GB being unable to compete internationally. They never will if the Brits are not given a chance . This is also what the Franchise era is about . Young British players and Coaches entering into the fray , instead of highly paid Aussies or New Zealanders milking Clubs for their retirement fund.
Hopefully Hetherington will give Agar the Finances to bolster his squad for 2009 .
On Sunday in defeat we played more Rugby than we had done all season. His style must differ from Sharp`s.
With R.Horne , Dykes , Motu , Whiting , King and Berrigan on the field we would have beaten Saints.
THE KING IS DEAD , LONG LIVE KING RICHARD !'"
Ahh the anti Aussie/ NZ bit - well if he's "up and coming" and "British" he must be right for the job! Silly me i must bare that in mind next time i do some external recruiting!
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Just a thought, how about Lasty stayin with the 21's and Radders hanging his boots up and becoming assistant to Agar, i can see him becoming assistant at some point anyways so why not give him the option now.'"
cant see that working but would let radders do the reserves
or even Horne if the worst came to the worst
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| does anyone think this actually show's a lack of ambition (just a question so dont shoot me down )
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| Quote ="hullbg"And pray tell how many times has Hall passed to Raynor this season?'"
Many more times than Yeaman.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Personally I think the side has had a better balance with Yeamo on the right, and it appears to me that he can only pass right which is why he never gives it to Raynor.'"
Correct me if I am wrong,didnt he pass to Raynor for his last minute try against the Saints?
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| Quote ="stantoon"does anyone think this actually show's a lack of ambition (just a question so dont shoot me down )'"
Yes
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| And if there was the chance of relegation this year do you think they would still have appointed richard or gone for a so called name coach ???? dont think he would have stood a chance if theer was the chance of relegation personaly think it's a stop gap plug a hole and see what happens. At the end of the season no matter how he perform's we will still be a superleague team ????
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| Quote ="stantoon"And if there was the chance of relegation this year do you think they would still have appointed richard or gone for a so called name coach ????'"
Possibly. I think this appointment is more to do with cash, or lack of it than anything else. Just my opinion.
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| Quote ="barton baird"Correct me if I am wrong,didnt he pass to Raynor for his last minute try against the Saints?'"
Ah the exception that proves the rule, was waiting for that comment
He also passed it inside straight to a Saints player when he had Raynor outside him and free earlier in the game.
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| Quote ="Hollywood Frasier"Absolute joke'"
your just upset that you wont be able to crock one off over the coach
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| Quote ="Kosh"No we didn't.'"
Imagine my surprise ! I`ve been Koshed !
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"Imagine my surprise ! I`ve been Koshed !
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Imagine [imy[/i surprise - I disagree with someone's opinion and they can't handle it.
It's not as if I'm the only one who didn't see the big improvement FFS.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Imagine [imy[/i surprise - I disagree with someone's opinion and they can't handle it.
It's not as if I'm the only one who didn't see the big improvement FFS.'"
Opinions as you say do differ . My opinion is we showed more willing to throw the ball about on Sunday than we did under Sharp .
The last try showed that . The amount of times we got rid of the ball at the tackle must have been more than the previous games put together.
I hope Agar will Coach a more expansive style than Sharp`s boring NRL style.
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