Not read much of the thread but for Agar to criticise the fans for openly voicing their disaproval of the players Performance/Commitment to the game stinks especially as just a week earlier he did exactly the same thing on the radio.

At the end of the day Agar should be more concerned with the lack of desire his team started with and played with for 70 minutes especially after all the supposed tough talking the team did all weak after the Cas game.
Questions need to be asked what the feck is going on because if thats the responce to the coaches call for a significant improvement then we are really in serious trouble.

Fact is Agar seems to have no motivational qualities and that is evident in his interviews. Its time he stopped hiding behind excuse after excuse about how badly done to they are etc etc and stop blaming others for his own failiings and be honest and admit he is simply not up to the task.

Turning on the fans is a sign of a very desperate man, he could have simply said that he understood the fans frustrations etc etc

Bloody hell, you did well to walk all that way back home in less than three days!

Are you sure it's because you're their boss that they hate you? I don't think you have to be the enemy to be a boss - it's cetainly not my approach anyway.

I haven't said he was right to say what he said - I have merely said that it is being blown out of proportion, as is so often the case with sensationalist headlines.

So the fact that Agar will be "getting rid of the deadwood" at the end of this season matches your own approach, but you'd still get rid of him?

This is what I believe.

I think that, ironically, the booing probably spurred the team on to show us what they are capable of.

They don't hate me really, they just begrudge doing what I tell them at times. They're just happy I keep paying their wages every month right now.

So because he is capable of getting rid of some underperforming players we should ignore the rest of his failings?

No - just that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

For example, on Friday he picked the team, apart from Whiting at 13, that many have been calling for but he still didn't get it right. I heard someone near me at the ground say "he was forced into that selection by injuries". But when he raises injuries as being a mitigating circumstance, that's just an excuse.... etc... etc... etc

He damned because he is shoite!

D'oh - well, why didn't you say that in the first place? It would have saved me all this time.

I've been saying it since he was appointed, like many I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he has done nothing to change my opinion, he has no motivational skill whatsoever, he is naieve in his team selection and rotation, there is no evidence of a plan "a", let alone a "b","c" or "d", to then come out and criticise the very people that pay his wages merely underlines his inability.

Once he is finished at FC

I can't see him getting a head coach job in SL ever again.

Bugger - I'd finiished then but you've raised the "criticise the fans" thing again

which I don't think he did. I think he was making an ill-advised observation that the reaction didn't help.

He picked the team but the fact is he didn't coach and motivate them effectively did he?

Well he will be here next season and what if we do well and are competing near the top of SL? He could then get an extension.

So if James Rule came out with an ill-advised observation that Agar was not performing as was expected of him, results were not good enough, and his relationship with the fans was not helping, would you not say that those were all criticisms? As I've said before, observation and criticism are not mutually exclusive. In actual fact they are strongly linked, as is the case with Agar's comments.

You may well be right that there has been an overreaction, but to entirely dismiss it and say he hasn't criticised the fans is just outright denial IMO.

Exactly. And the fact that it has been noted that most on here named a similar lineup as what they'd like to see shows that most with a half-decent knowledge of the game can pick a fairly good team. What makes a coach is what he does with that team, through tactics, motivation, and an ability to adapt to the gameand it's circumstances as it unfolds.

But did Agar fail to complete the 7 out of the 9 sets?

And when they did start completing sets (in line with his tactics) did they score or not?

I think too much water has gone under the bridge Paul, he just doesn't have the personality IMO.

Do you mean once they had forgotten his pre match and half time talks near the end of the game?

So for arguments sake lets see we are where Hudds are this season, that would not be good enough and fans would want rid?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Why are they failing to complete sets?

Lack of concentration?
lack of ability with the ball?
lack of motivation?
Lack of effective preparation?
lack of focus?

Whichever way you look at it, most of the issues are things that should be taken care of pre game and that is the coaches job. Unless they're doing it on purpose in which case that's a reaction to the poor coach

As a (slight) aside - the Celtic try that was cheered so much by some supporters... could anyone see why that try wasn't disallowed for Crossing/Obstruction? It looked a lot worse (to me - obviously with my "black & white" coloured spectacles) than the disallowed try for Hull against Leeds. Why wasn't the ref booed rather than Hull FC?

You shouldn't laugh at your own jokes

No. What I meant was that IMO we have no chance of 'turning' the corner with him in charge.

However, if he were to turn things around then yes, no doubt all would be forgiven.