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| Crookes is a back up player only for us next season surely. If he's a starter next season then he'll get targeted all season. Broughton would have been a good signing but signed for Huddersfield I believe.
As for Arundel he's average/good but again I don't believe he's good enough to start for us and be Yeamans replacement. If we want to be a top 4 side then we need better than Arundel.
The Westerman bashing imo is just nonsense. He's peoples scapegoat when he's been very good this season.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Crookes is a back up player only for us next season surely. If he's a starter next season then he'll get targeted all season. Broughton would have been a good signing but signed for Huddersfield I believe.
As for Arundel he's average/good but again I don't believe he's good enough to start for us and be Yeamans replacement. If we want to be a top 4 side then we need better than Arundel.
The Westerman bashing imo is just nonsense. He's peoples scapegoat when he's been very good this season.'"
Someone was needed to replace,seymour, horne (in previous seasons) hall, thorman etc as a scapegoat !
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| Quote ="deslawson"Someone was needed to replace,seymour, horne (in previous seasons) hall, thorman etc as a scapegoat !'"
at least we know who is replacing McDonnell and galea as the judas at rovers
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"at least we know who is replacing McDonnell and galea as the judas at rovers'"
Is it you ?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Crookes and Arundel need gametime, harsh to judge them after so long out. Westerman ..... do me a favour mark!'"
Crookes and Arundel are both poor players and will not take us forward...as for Westerman,i have never rated him,was a good player in a poor Cas team and i personally dont think he has improved that much with us.As for other posters about Westerman bashing..its my opinion of him.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Arundel -what exactly did he do wrong last night? Not much service, n 1st game in 2months, didn't particularly notice him do much wrong barring daft pen late on. Plus only a young lad, much improvement in him.
Westerman-the hating for westy is by far the weirdest thing I've known as a hull fan about our own players. Top try assister among the forwards, top try scorer, tops most the stats among the forwards, (not including hooking position)Still only 23 as well
Crookes -poor last night, although not much to be done for 1st try. Again little game time in a long period. Great early part of season. Still showed great speed n toughness in bits of the game.'"
Arundel didnt much right either...left Crookes exposed on the kick..no blocking at all...why bring him in after 2mths out when Yeaman hasnt done much wrong.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Crookes and Arundel are both poor players and will not take us forward...as for Westerman,i have never rated him,was a good player in a poor Cas team and i personally dont think he has improved that much with us.As for other posters about Westerman bashing..its my opinion of him.'"
Baldy, I agree 100%
I would prefer Foster to Crookes, didnt do a bad job for us at all last year plus his good goal kicking.
I've not seen anything that makes me say WOW when watching Arundle, unlike Crooks.
I also don't see what others see in Westerman, he gives away a lot of penaltys and silly errors. Out of the 2 I prefer Whiting.
Signing Johnson from Wakie and the possible Signing of Thompson from Cas seem pointless for me. I dont see anything in either player that strengthens our team!
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| Wow. Crookes was great early season. Hasn't had a look in since and has a dodgy game. Now written off and we should get rid.
Arundel a young kid making his way back after a long lay off had a rough start to his hull career but was coming good, now has 1st game in 2 months goes steady but doesn't tear up trees, again we should bin him.
Westerman been consistently in nearly every game one of the best forwards, and even if people were to counter argue it's about opinions, his stats still back up that he's not as bad as some are trying to make out. I'm still kinda dumbfounded at the grief he seems to be getting. Even last night one of the better players but his wayward pass is great for the odd ball haters to feed on!
What an odd set of fans our fans are. Some of the best but some of the worst!
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Wow. Crookes was great early season. Hasn't had a look in since and has a dodgy game. Now written off and we should get rid.
Arundel a young kid making his way back after a long lay off had a rough start to his hull career but was coming good, now has 1st game in 2 months goes steady but doesn't tear up trees, again we should bin him.
Westerman been consistently in nearly every game one of the best forwards, and even if people were to counter argue it's about opinions, his stats still back up that he's not as bad as some are trying to make out. I'm still kinda dumbfounded at the grief he seems to be getting. Even last night one of the better players but his wayward pass is great for the odd ball haters to feed on!
What an odd set of fans our fans are. Some of the best but some of the worst!'"
So we arent allowed a opinion then....must make me a worst fan.
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| Amazing aint it?!?!
Do you not think everyclub in every sport in the world have fans that see diffrent things in games and indeed players?
I don't like Kevin Sinfield at Leeds...... Yet he won the Golden Boot. Does it make me wrong? No it means I have an opinion and his style of play bores me. I like how Chase plays yet he gets slagged off to high heaven.... Am I wrong again??
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| Quote ="BIGARR"Amazing aint it?!?!
Do you not think everyclub in every sport in the world have fans that see diffrent things in games and indeed players?
I don't like Kevin Sinfield at Leeds...... Yet he won the Golden Boot. Does it make me wrong? No it means I have an opinion and his style of play bores me. I like how Chase plays yet he gets slagged off to high heaven.... Am I wrong again??'"
I think he is vastly over-rated....but like you say,we see things differently.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"So we arent allowed a opinion then....must make me a worst fan.'"
No it's just my opinion that lots of our fans are idiots/morons.
No team can have stars in every position. What they can have is patience and make something out of them, thinking the likes of goulding at Wigan, Kirke Leeds etc. Trouble is we hound ours out n ruin them ie sharp, hall, blacklock, tony etc, you know, like sarcastically cheering a player already low on confidence for catching a high ball etc. Some where even calling miller last night! 20yr old just off the plane. We used to be the best fans. Can't claim that now, don't know another team who's fans tear down their own players like hull fans do.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"No it's just my opinion that lots of our fans are idiots/morons.
No team can have stars in every position. What they can have is patience and make something out of them, thinking the likes of goulding at Wigan, Kirke Leeds etc. Trouble is we hound ours out n ruin them ie sharp, hall, blacklock, tony etc, you know, like sarcastically cheering a player already low on confidence for catching a high ball etc. Some where even calling miller last night! 20yr old just off the plane. We used to be the best fans. Can't claim that now, don't know another team who's fans tear down their own players like hull fans do.'"
That's completely different to merely thinking a player isn't good enough. I hope Crookes and Arundel become a great partnership, I'm just not convinced yet that they will.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"That's completely different to merely thinking a player isn't good enough. I hope Crookes and Arundel become a great partnership, I'm just not convinced yet that they will.'"
I don't to be honest, but I'm basically ranting on the back of the endless crap I've read on facebook here Twitter etc. These young players have a pretty good handle on what's been said. Can't help can it?
Probably come across a bit condescending in my last posts, not directed at anyone generally like I say I've read some utter bilge today though.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"I don't to be honest, but I'm basically ranting on the back of the endless crap I've read on facebook here Twitter etc. These young players have a pretty good handle on what's been said. Can't help can it?
Probably come across a bit condescending in my last posts, not directed at anyone generally like I say I've read some utter bilge today though.'"
I agree,some right crap on here and your not as condescending as a couple of posters with green badges
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| Quote ="BIGARR"Baldy, I agree 100%
I would prefer Foster to Crookes, didnt do a bad job for us at all last year plus his good goal kicking.
I've not seen anything that makes me say WOW when watching Arundle, unlike Crooks.
I also don't see what others see in Westerman, he gives away a lot of penaltys and silly errors. Out of the 2 I prefer Whiting.
Signing Johnson from Wakie and the possible Signing of Thompson from Cas seem pointless for me. I dont see anything in either player that strengthens our team!'"
If hull had kept foster, the team would have won last night,holdsworth is a poor place kicker !
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| All this talk about keeping Foster, I doubt he'd have been happy being 3rd choice behind Briscoe & Lineham + whos to say he'd have even wanted to stay?
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"All this talk about keeping Foster, I doubt he'd have been happy being 3rd choice behind Briscoe & Lineham + whos to say he'd have even wanted to stay?'"
He did say he'd of liked to stay but with us signing Crookes already it was a no go.
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| Quote ="heard1989"He did say he'd of liked to stay but with us signing Crookes already it was a no go.'"
Must of missed that. I'm glad & I'm sure he will be too that he never signed. He obviously wasn't happy being 3rd choice at Saints & that's all he would of been here this season.
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| Quote ="deslawson"If hull had kept foster, the team would have won last night,holdsworth is a poor place kicker !'"
Thats a strange one as he was a good kicker at Salford and also scored a fair few tries too, something hes not doing at FC for some reason
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Thats a strange one as he was a good kicker at Salford and also scored a fair few tries too, something hes not doing at FC for some reason'"
Seb, Salford fans mentioned before DJ came that his place kicking runs hot and cold. But as a playmaker he's one of the best in Super League, and thats the main reason he's here. I'd expect PG to move the kicking duties on to Westie or Crooks if the present cold patch continues.
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| Quote ="Uppo58"Seb, Salford fans mentioned before DJ came that his place kicking runs hot and cold. But as a playmaker he's one of the best in Super League, and thats the main reason he's here. I'd expect PG to move the kicking duties on to Westie or Crooks if the present cold patch continues.'"
"Westie" is just as bad. Haven't seen much of Crooks or Miller kicking for goal but if neither of them are good enough we are going to struggle in that department.
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| Westerman needs practise, and focus, needs to get out the pub and down to his nearest pitch and start slotting them over.
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| Heard a rumour today at work which could follow up what I said about Yeamo 'calling' Gentle to a mutual friend.
But I was told Yeaman has signed for Salford for next season. The bloke who told me seemed very confident of this too.
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| If it's true at least its one less try you'll score against us in the derbies next year.
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