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| I'm not going to single out any players but our right side of defence is definitely a problem. I was sitting at the east end of the south stand and it all happened right in front of me. The way they got through us with such ease was very worrying. I don't know what the answer is but there is clearly a problem.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Just watch the tries. Not 1 can be attributed to him. 2 outside of the winger. 1 naughton should of just been a bit tighter to sideline. Other that whole side didn't shift over.
1st try pryce clearly ball watching.
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Now Fonua
All right edge. Do u not see the pattern?'"
I've watched them, on Catalan's 2nd and 3rd try's Fonua is marking up the wrong man, leaving Naughton with two men. Fonua gets attracted to the ball far too easily, it's as simple as that, nothing to do with the system or slide.
I don't really remember Micheals playing right centre too often and I thought with Logan it was the physicality he struggled with? I'm not wanting to bag Fonua, but he's a winger and really should play there.
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| Main problem for me is we don't slide over enough leaving fonua and naughton isolated. Pryce isn't cutting it for me. Tuimvare should have a crack at stand off when fit
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| Quote ="*1865*"I don't agree at all and certainly see Fonua as the major reason we've conceded so much down that side in the last two games. He shoots out the line far too quickly and leaves a massive gap between him and his winger. Even when we line up as they play the ball he's too far inside on most occasions.
That side and the system can only be as strong as it's weakest link and Fonua has been very weak positionally and his defensive reads at centre are awful.
Naughton switching sides hasn't helped him and I certainly have him at fault for one of the tries down that side last night. If Naughton gets dropped for Micheals before Fonua it will be an injustice to the kid.'"
I agree that Fonua has been suspect in defence but having watched the tries back I'm not sure that was the case last night. First one is down to Pryce for mine, second one is Naughton jamming in, and third is the whole defence failing to slide.
I'll have another look but at first viewing that's what I saw.
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| Quote ="hull2524"Main problem for me is we don't slide over enough leaving fonua and naughton isolated. Pryce isn't cutting it for me. Tuimvare should have a crack at stand off when fit'"
The problem for the two try's I'm talking about is Fonua doesn't slide at all. He's not mobile enough for a centre.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I agree that Fonua has been suspect in defence but having watched the tries back I'm not sure that was the case last night. First one is down to Pryce for mine, second one is Naughton jamming in, and third is the whole defence failing to slide.
I'll have another look but at first viewing that's what I saw.'"
When you look back, watch who he's actually lined up against. 2nd and 3rd try he's taking the wrong man leaving Naughton with 2 men and no choice but to jam in.
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| Thought Sneyd was great last night, Glenn Stewart was trying to make him his bitch but he just kept going. Not many halves that'd 1-on-1 tackle a player his size successfully.
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| Quote ="*1865*"When you look back, watch who he's actually lined up against. 2nd and 3rd try he's taking the wrong man leaving Naughton with 2 men and no choice but to jam in.'"
Get real. The footage is clear cut. Do u think he is superman and can stop everything
It's really clear and very simple footage
How in Gods name can 2 tries outside of the winger be centres fault?
Also after 1st he kicked off at pryce n Pryce accepted it!!
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| Don't get see how Naughton's effort in first half wasn't a try, looked like he grounded it.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Get real. The footage is clear cut. Do u think he is superman and can stop everything
It's really clear and very simple footage
How in Gods name can 2 tries outside of the winger be centres fault?
Also after 1st he kicked off at pryce n Pryce accepted it!!'"
I'm not talking about the 1st, I'm talking about their 2nd & 3rd! I agree the first was Pryce's fault.
2 tries outside a winger can be the Centres fault when that Centre marks up wrong forcing the winger to jam in. A centre and winger defend in pairs, if the centre goes in so should the winger. Naughton did that, if he'd stayed out wide the Centre gets a walk in. Identifying your man is under 8's stuff.
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'm not talking about the 1st, I'm talking about their 2nd & 3rd! I agree the first was Pryce's fault.
2 tries outside a winger can be the Centres fault when that Centre marks up wrong forcing the winger to jam in. A centre and winger defend in pairs, if the centre goes in so should the winger. Naughton did that, if he'd stayed out wide the Centre gets a walk in. Identifying your man is under 8's stuff.'"
As I said, I'll have another look but for the third try it seemed to me that Naughton, Fonua, and Pryce are correctly spaced but the whole defence has failed to slide leading to the overlap.
Second try it seemed to me that Fonua was the right distance from Pryce but Naughton had jammed in and was too close to Fonua. Whether that was a lack of confidence in his centre or just a bad defensive read I'm not sure.
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| Forget which side they score on, 4 out of the 5 tries were directly from a penalty. It happens every single week. We simply cannot defend from a penalty. I don't know what happens to the mindset of the team, but I can almost guarantee that in the set of 6 from a penalty, we will concede.
The discipline will cost us dearly.
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| Quote ="the cal train"Thought Sneyd was great last night, Glenn Stewart was trying to make him his bitch but he just kept going. Not many halves that'd 1-on-1 tackle a player his size successfully.'"
Think we have a genuine class scrum half on our hands with Sneyd. Been a long wait for one.
Doesn't always get it right, but he's still got a lot of improvement in him.
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Forget which side they score on, 4 out of the 5 tries were directly from a penalty. It happens every single week. We simply cannot defend from a penalty. I don't know what happens to the mindset of the team, but I can almost guarantee that in the set of 6 from a penalty, we will concede.
The discipline will cost us dearly.'"
This seasons bug bearer for me is this one .
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Forget which side they score on, 4 out of the 5 tries were directly from a penalty. It happens every single week. We simply cannot defend from a penalty. I don't know what happens to the mindset of the team, but I can almost guarantee that in the set of 6 from a penalty, we will concede.
The discipline will cost us dearly.'"
And the 5th from a dropped ball in our own half. I was amazed that we held out in that last 5 minutes given what had gone before
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| How many tries did we score after receiving penalties ?
Our right side defence is a concern but bringing Logan in to shore up a defensive problem certainly isn't the answer.
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| i don't think it is fonua's fault cause he's Not that bad in defence but I don't think he's fit he's still carrying imo I've notice at the beginning of the season when a ball was kicked he speed off to chase it. Recently its just been more of a Jog
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"How many tries did we score after receiving penalties ?
Our right side defence is a concern but bringing Logan in to shore up a defensive problem certainly isn't the answer.'" But if we don't change things when players have a few bad games they become complacent. Haven't we had this problem with Yeamo for the last 5 years?
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| If fonua couldn't defend he'd of played 0 games at centre for Tonga n more so at a Bellamy coached Melbourne team
As I've said it's the whole right combo. Absolutely 0 chance that Fonua could of on his own could of influenced the stopping of any of them scores down that side
Right sides been having trouble long before Fonua got back in the team
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| Quote ="*1865*"But if we don't change things when players have a few bad games they become complacent. Haven't we had this problem with Yeamo for the last 5 years?'"
Logan not the answer at the moment though needs lots more games at a lower level to learn his trade defensively. If it was to be changed I wouldn't put him in because he's getting exposed at the moment.
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| just seen the tries, ok franks offload to yeamo for the first try and his pass to naughton looked borderline but am i the only one who thinks the first 4 tries from the dragons were iffy with the ball drifting forward?
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| Quote ="number 6"just seen the tries, ok franks offload to yeamo for the first try and his pass to naughton looked borderline but am i the only one who thinks the first 4 tries from the dragons were iffy with the ball drifting forward?'"
Wishful thinking
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| Quote ="bonaire"Wishful thinking'"
watching them on the SL show, the fourth certainly does look dodgy
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."We will win tomorrow and at St Helens in the CC next weekend.'"
Tipping Hull to win these days is easy. Have faith!!
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