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Quote ="ccs"... and if you want, you can see City playing at the Boulevard in 1905......
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They seem to be making a bit of a mess of the pitch, and their goalkeeper thinks he's playing volleyball.
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With only a couple of weeks to go before the start of Super League 2015 it must be fingers crossed they don't make a mess of the current pitch considering Hull City's youth team are playing at the KC next weekend immediately following the City v Newcastle game.
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With only a couple of weeks to go before the start of Super League 2015 it must be fingers crossed they don't make a mess of the current pitch considering Hull City's youth team are playing at the KC next weekend immediately following the City v Newcastle game.
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I guess with an annual income that only puts them in the top 40 football clubs in the world, they need to make savings wherever possible.
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Quote ="The Milky Bar Kid"City under 21st are playing at the KC Stadium against Mansfield after Hull City AFC v Newcastle United
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We cant even train there
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I think we should be worried clearly the heat is being turned up, now is it the club he hates, does he want the sole use of the stadium ?
Or is it he dislikes our chairman and his side kick so much ?
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He's never had the purpose of the SMC to the fore during his ownership - i.e., running the stadium as a community stadium for the benefit of the people of Hull who own it. In doing so, maximise profits so as to plough them into the stadium to enable never-before-seen events to be staged in the city. That's "the city", not "City".
While I can see the logic of the council in offloading the running and costs of the stadium to a third party while retaining ownership, they were naive in accepting the terms and conditions presented by the then owners. A lot relied on the integrity and honesty of Pearson to do the right thing. And he did. But how foolish to think that any new owner would share that sense of honour. For every Pearson there's a thousand mercenary, ruthless megalomaniacs. As we're seeing, in my opinion, now and with the last lot. Appalling advice seems to have been taken by the council on the setting of the terms of the lease.
Pearson, tragically, is now hoisted by his own petard. But the other losers are the people of Hull. I'm fuming on both counts.
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Sorry but the council at the time is completely to blame, it was a clear opportunity for them to recoup back some of the money as well as enable the facilities to be used by more people. Even the debacle of paying to use their own facility has being brushed under the carpet, £72,500PA paid out (over £1/2mill total) for only £49K (equivalent to £1M actual profit) payment over 12 years!
IF the council had run the stadium the salary costs would be miniscule compared to that of a private company run solely for profit paying out their owner and subservients large sums of money. It has always been in the best interests of the SMC to keep the profit as low as is possible and as has being shown running it at a loss even as a tool/leverage.
Here's one of the latest documents from HCC
https://cmis.hullcc.gov.uk/CMIS/Documen ... Ff55vVA%3D
Allowing the city youth team to play on the pitch regularly & even allowing city to train on it doesn't give an equal balance of use within the terms of the lease for both parties? How can the council just let this stand, expecially since the atestation of the former groundsman says it is the soccer that kn@ckers the pitch in any case..deliberately damaging an integral part of the stadium to stick a thumb in the eye of the co-users should be deemed to be against the lease terms.
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Sorry but the council at the time is completely to blame, it was a clear opportunity for them to recoup back some of the money as well as enable the facilities to be used by more people. Even the debacle of paying to use their own facility has being brushed under the carpet, £72,500PA paid out (over £1/2mill total) for only £49K (equivalent to £1M actual profit) payment over 12 years!
IF the council had run the stadium the salary costs would be miniscule compared to that of a private company run solely for profit paying out their owner and subservients large sums of money. It has always been in the best interests of the SMC to keep the profit as low as is possible and as has being shown running it at a loss even as a tool/leverage.
Here's one of the latest documents from HCC
https://cmis.hullcc.gov.uk/CMIS/Documen ... Ff55vVA%3D
Allowing the city youth team to play on the pitch regularly & even allowing city to train on it doesn't give an equal balance of use within the terms of the lease for both parties? How can the council just let this stand, expecially since the atestation of the former groundsman says it is the soccer that kn@ckers the pitch in any case..deliberately damaging an integral part of the stadium to stick a thumb in the eye of the co-users should be deemed to be against the lease terms.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Heard they will be more u21's fixtures played at the KC if they get promoted . And we can't even practice kicking a ball .'"
You heard right. Think HDM stated something on the lines of the further up the 'fixture divisions' (these graded divisions are sorted via training facilities, coaching capabilities etc) the more games have to be played at the first team ground. This being a non-negotiable Football League rule. |
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Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Sorry but the council at the time is completely to blame, it was a clear opportunity for them to recoup back some of the money as well as enable the facilities to be used by more people. Even the debacle of paying to use their own facility has being brushed under the carpet, £72,500PA paid out (over £1/2mill total) for only £49K (equivalent to £1M actual profit) payment over 12 years!
IF the council had run the stadium the salary costs would be miniscule compared to that of a private company run solely for profit paying out their owner and subservients large sums of money. It has always been in the best interests of the SMC to keep the profit as low as is possible and as has being shown running it at a loss even as a tool/leverage.
Here's one of the latest documents from HCC
https://cmis.hullcc.gov.uk/CMIS/Document.ashx?
Allowing the city youth team to play on the pitch regularly & even allowing city to train on it doesn't give an equal balance of use within the terms of the lease for both parties? How can the council just let this stand, expecially since the atestation of the former groundsman says it is the soccer that kn@ckers the pitch in any case..deliberately damaging an integral part of the stadium to stick a thumb in the eye of the co-users should be deemed to be against the lease terms.
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In theory you are correct. In practice however the council have demonstrated over many years that they are unable to run anything efficiently.
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Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Sorry but the council at the time is completely to blame, it was a clear opportunity for them to recoup back some of the money as well as enable the facilities to be used by more people. Even the debacle of paying to use their own facility has being brushed under the carpet, £72,500PA paid out (over £1/2mill total) for only £49K (equivalent to £1M actual profit) payment over 12 years!
IF the council had run the stadium the salary costs would be miniscule compared to that of a private company run solely for profit paying out their owner and subservients large sums of money. It has always been in the best interests of the SMC to keep the profit as low as is possible and as has being shown running it at a loss even as a tool/leverage.
Here's one of the latest documents from HCC
https://cmis.hullcc.gov.uk/CMIS/Document.ashx?
Allowing the city youth team to play on the pitch regularly & even allowing city to train on it doesn't give an equal balance of use within the terms of the lease for both parties? How can the council just let this stand, expecially since the atestation of the former groundsman says it is the soccer that kn@ckers the pitch in any case..deliberately damaging an integral part of the stadium to stick a thumb in the eye of the co-users should be deemed to be against the lease terms.
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In theory you are correct. In practice however the council have demonstrated over many years that they are unable to run anything efficiently.
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i am beginning to see why now.
The KC Pitch is designed to have a certain number of matches a year on it 55/56 or close to that now with both CITY and FC playing that takes up the design limit. If city require extra slots for there u19 team then I guess I can see where that has to come from and this could be part of the current campaign against FC.
The problem with the SMC seems to be when Bartlett took loans out against it, the transfer of those debts seems to have set up some sort of rider that effectively excludes the city council from exercising control over what is in effect there property.
I do not think the council wants to be seen as doing anything that would be to the detriment of Hull City, at the moment anyways
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| Quote ="Ian P"i am beginning to see why now.
The KC Pitch is designed to have a certain number of matches a year on it 55/56 or close to that now with both CITY and FC playing that takes up the design limit. If city require extra slots for there u19 team then I guess I can see where that has to come from and this could be part of the current campaign against FC.
The problem with the SMC seems to be when Bartlett took loans out against it, the transfer of those debts seems to have set up some sort of rider that effectively excludes the city council from exercising control over what is in effect there property.
I do not think the council wants to be seen as doing anything that would be to the detriment of Hull City, at the moment anyways'"
The issue is again the unfairness and the underhand tactics. In happier times at the KC I don't think any FC fan would have complained about City's youth team playing the odd game there, if our youth team could do the same. It's certianly a more worthwhile event than Polo and or Squash! Instead we have this current mess which does nobody any favours. That day in 2007 when City moved to an earlier kickoff to allow FC to play at home in the playoffs seems a lifetime ago now. |
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If the unfairness of use of the stadium goes on then Pearson should be making waves at the council and making a legal challenge, because frankly it IS having a detrimental effect on the club AND the fans, not just financially but the whole hassle of not being able to train on your own pitch nonsense never mind having the pitch being in poor condition due to misuse.
And further to a post with regard the car parking on the fairground land, that's under direct control of the council apparently so any complaint regrding unfair charging should be directed at the council unless they have somehow sold that off to someone without anyone knowing..
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Car park passes are issued by the Stadium Management Company (who accept no liability etc), so Mr Allam decides how much to charge.
I doubt the council will have any say in the matter.
There doesn't seem to be any mention on the council website of a Walton Street car park.
The park and ride has long since gone - I guess it would clash with people wanting to use the new hotel(s) parking facilities.
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I doubt the council will have any say in the matter.'"
I misread the document I linked to, it says that the council are responsible for the upkeep of the land but can ask (SMC) for 10% of the costs to a max of £2500(I presume per year) I would have thought given the amount of use from parking for soccer/rugby matches it should be more like 50/50, again the council screwing up.  |
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just be thankfull the lib{tory}dems didn't keep power,stadium would have been allams now and we would probably been out of it.
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| Quote ="ditchley16"just be thankfull the lib{tory}dems didn't keep power,stadium would have been allams now and we would probably been out of it.'"
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| Quote ="HullFC50"Something as fans we all need to be aware of come May 2015.'"
Really?
Lets go get our own stadium, oh and get a massive pay off to release us from the SMC contract |
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Really?
Lets go get our own stadium, oh and get a massive pay off to release us from the SMC contract'"
Getting our own stadium is pie in the sky, first of all any payoff would need to be at least £15M, we wouldn't get any sport England or lottery funding because we already have a ground. That would still leave the club in the hole for £15-£20M funding so that we can build a decent stadium & facilities on site(20k capacity needed). IF we could get naming rights sponsor, a 3G pitch would help enormously in easing the long term debt, but it would be a lot of debt to pay back. One that the present owner would not want to go down.
Second and more importantly where you going to locate it? Many people of West Hull still walk to games or are able to get an easy bus ride in.
Costello I hear you say..I don't think so, so where else that has enough space (that is up for sale) for parking and additional facilities that you can get relatively easy planning permission for? |
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Getting our own stadium is pie in the sky, first of all any payoff would need to be at least £15M, we wouldn't get any sport England or lottery funding because we already have a ground. That would still leave the club in the hole for £15-£20M funding so that we can build a decent stadium & facilities on site(20k capacity needed). IF we could get naming rights sponsor, a 3G pitch would help enormously in easing the long term debt, but it would be a lot of debt to pay back. One that the present owner would not want to go down.
Second and more importantly where you going to locate it? Many people of West Hull still walk to games or are able to get an easy bus ride in.
Costello I hear you say..I don't think so, so where else that has enough space (that is up for sale) for parking and additional facilities that you can get relatively easy planning permission for?'"
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