You need to count some players on both seperate lists...


Quota (max of 5): Green, Clinton, Dobson, Webster, Galea.
Non-fed (max of 5): Green, Clinton, Dobson, Mason.



Theoretically, but the circumstances under which you could have 10 are pretty unlikely (without the 2008ers, anyway). You'd need 5 Aussie/Kiwi quota players who [ucame through the academy system here[/u, then your 5 non-quota non-fed islanders or EU-passport holders could be added. The former would be a rare breed you'd imagine. It certainly isn't the 8 club-trained, 12 Tongans, 5 Aussies scenario that was [ipossible[/i pre-2008.

I've just spent the last half hour looking at this, and I think my above post is only partially correct. The 'two list' system will result in only 5 overseas trained players once all the pre-2008 exemption players have retired or moved on.

There are 10 overall 'slots' available but Aussies/NZ/etc take up 2 'slots' each. If you sign 5 Aussies they use up all the slots in both lists. If you sign 5 Tongans they only take up the 5 'slots' in the Non Fed list, but the theoretically available 'slots' in the Quota list are useless unless you can find a player who, for instance, has Aussie nationality but trained in the UK.

So for us...

Quota:
Fitz
Ogre

Non Fed:
Fitz
Ogre
Moa
Lauaki

We have one Non Fed slot open and 3 Quota slots, but we would only be able to use one of the Quota slots on an Aussie as he would also take up our last Non Fed slot.

Rovers have a unique (AFAIK) situation in having two Quota players who don't count as Non Fed as they were here pre-2008. This is what has allowed them to sign Mason as a Non Fed player.

It seems likely that given the complexity of the system and the somewhat misleading information published on it in the past, the clubs themselves were not aware of the details. My guess would be that Rovers, in extremis, went to the RFL with the Mason issue to see if they could get dispensation only to be told that they didn't need it!

Yup - see my post above. Just took me a while to get my head around it!

So from what your saying Kosh we can now sign one Aussie and 2 tongans and still be within the rules ?

No, you can sign one aussie, which would fill one of your 3 quota places, and fill the remaining non-fed place. You could, sign a non-fed player (Tongan, Samoa etc.) but that would restrict you signing anymore overseas.

No we can only sign one Aussie (quota) player who would count on both lists. Or one non fed player (kolpack).

Quota
Fitz
O meley

Non fed
Moa
Hame
Fitz
O meley

Could we not sign 3 Aussies aslong as 2 of them were federation trained?

Yes we could however that is not going to be used very often in my opinion as they would have to be in the academy between the ages of 16-21 and therefore be fed trained, I wouldn't want to waste quota spots on such players unless they were exceptional talents but fed trained quota players will be very rare.

Right so under these new (cleared up) rules;

Do players such as Newton, Vella, Webster and Galea count as Quota but Fed-Trained (under pre 08 rule)
So you'd have Mason as non-quota but non-fed, Dobson, Clinton and Green on both lists.

Logically that's the only way it can work!!

From MR's post above...

Quota (max of 5): Green, Clinton, Dobson, Webster, Galea.
Non-fed (max of 5): Green, Clinton, Dobson, Mason.

so you keep saying. but the question is WHY do webster and galea not count as overseas trained.

Is it because they were already in SL when the quota rules changed and have been reclassified as federation trained like the kolpak player playing in SL were? If so does this mean than all the Overseas quota players who were playing in SL prior to feb 2008 and who are still here (brent webb, glenn morrison etc) are now classed as federation trained until they retire/leave SL?

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Newton (Fed trained cos of passport)'" The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Newton (Fed trained cos of passport)'" The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/'" Exempt from the quota but still overseas trained!!!

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/'" Exempt from the quota but still overseas trained!!!

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/'" More like the Queen of Hull, her majesty fell over

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The self-proclaimed "King of Hull" is exempt due to his royal status. www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/0 ... my-sights/'" More like the Queen of Hull, her majesty fell over

He was here in 2008, so I am assuming he counts on neither list (along with Vella and Fisher).

Just thought, shouldn't that be "One fell over"?

Sorry yer, I did know that!! Cheers.

The way i see it is that Rovers will still have room to draft more in from overseas which i would expect them to take advantage of but Hull wont bother because their fans care deeply about our National team and Kath will listen to their views.

Bit disrepectful for someone who purports to champion Rovers youth development.

Bit short sighted for someone who whinged like a good un about the P Poor performance of England in the 4 Nations.

Yes.


They are all eligible to apply for Fed Trained status. I doubt any of them bothered as until today nobody apparently knew that it would make a difference.

Moderators really shouldn't troll.

Hypothetically, can you ban him?

So does that mean that I was correct in my assumption that ANYONE who was here pre feb 08 got the exemption on contract renewal when I was told a while ago that I was wrong.