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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"That is why Miloudi and Harris should play in the halves so we are not exposed out wide as we were by a team that would have being beaten by Fev/Toronto and Tolouse, Connor can shore up out wide with whoever is on the wing.
Yes we won but frankly it highlights so many problems with the coach and his inability to address the same issues that crop up time and time and time again no matter who plays.
There was a chance to play last week someone who had played in the halves and doing extremely well by all accounts, there was another chance today but again ignored which meant ridiculously we played with 12 men and a has been who did nothing all match except give a stupid pen away, bomb a try (natch) and make a handful of tackles, oh I think he made 6-7 metres on one run when he had space.
It's the failure to recognise that sending out a has been (in fact re-signing a has been or two) and not trusting to a youngster is definitely the wrong call, aside from injuries at the back end of 2014 when the season was over and the "million pounds in the stand" Warrington game Easter '16 it's been the staple of Radford's tenure.
We kept banging it down the middle and failed to get it out wide, by sheer weight of the fact KR were utter crud and our forwards were right on it, we had some success but if we'd have spread it wide we'd have had more success. So fixated with banging it down the middle we couldn't capitalise when they were down to 12 and were outflanked by 12 men
Connor produced a quality pass and a great individual run, aside from that he didn't really produce the goods (a lucky bounce off the crossbar doesn't count). He punted it too far downfield so they had an unchallenged catch too often, and it was too often the only play we had ...again!
Full strength we have one of the best squads in SL, easily top 4, the problem at the moment is the coach, he's simply incapable of changing how we play to actually improve our attack, he has not being able to change what the players do which results in penalty after penalty and getting involved in niggle we don't need to stoop too, Matongo made a mountain out of a molehill at the end, I mean really, wtf was that, immature or what!
This game highlighted again why we will not move forward with Radford in charge, I thought he might have turned a corner but he really hasn't.
For all of the posters on here saying stop moaning, they clearly don't see the bigger picture as to what the underlying issues are and how we haven't addressed that in the slightest injuries or not.'"
Wow. This has left me speechless.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"That is why Miloudi and Harris should play in the halves so we are not exposed out wide as we were by a team that would have being beaten by Fev/Toronto and Tolouse, Connor can shore up out wide with whoever is on the wing.
<.. usual anti Radford garbage snipped to save space>'"
Of course Hull played down the middle a lot. It wasn't too far off of the first choice pack and they were up against the weakest one in SL. At the same time a 2 -7 composed of debutants, a retiree and players out of position was unlikely to gel together well and not surprisingly it didn't.
Spot on tactics from Radford to get the win - how anyone can criticise him on that is insane.
Then again if you coached them with your sports psychologist in tow then no doubt Hull would have won by 50.
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| I remember the times when if Paul Cooke was injured you fearing taking a hammering due to having no creative outlet on the field, we have lost our 2 first choice halves and Connor is playing out of his sock's at the moment, were are still 4th in the league and we wont be far off the 4 when the super 8's start, was playing Yeaman a mistake, I have no idea. I do not get the reports and see the things Radford and his coaches see in training but I bet playing both centres in a derby game on their debuts played heavily on his mind when selecting Kirk, we got the points and that's what is required at the moment simple as.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Wow. This has left me speechless.'"
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| Until Kelly gets back, Connor has to stay at halfback, for Warrington I'd go with
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For Saints the same but Faraimo in for Harris and Miloudi at halfback.
Can see a couple of hammerings in the next two games, hope I'm wrong.
Hopefully win 5/7 after the Saints game and keep us in touching distance
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| Surely Kirk can hang his boots up and we can use Miloudi who made more metres than Kirk in one run and less errors.
I would keep Connor at 6 and Scott and Miloudi in the centres and Logan and one other on the wing.
Boy oh boy we are low on troops in the back line
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| Big, big raps to everyone pulling on the shirt yesterday. Some of the negative comments on here are beyond belief. That was an heroic effort from everyone involved and had we had our first team out we would have put 50 points plus on the Dobbins. The uber critics on here need to rein their necks in and support the boys and the coach, who's doing a magnificent job.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Until Kelly gets back, Connor has to stay at halfback, for Warrington I'd go with
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For Saints the same but Faraimo in for Harris and Miloudi at halfback.
Can see a couple of hammerings in the next two games, hope I'm wrong.
Hopefully win 5/7 after the Saints game and keep us in touching distance'"
To be honest for St's depending how it goes in Friday at Warrington I'd be tempted to keep it as is with Connor/Harris and have Miloudi on the bench.
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| I know it doesn't getting any better, but Harris is cup tied.
(ps. Shaun Wane is leaving wigan at the end of the season.)
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Surely Kirk can hang his boots up and we can use Miloudi who made more metres than Kirk in one run and less errors.
I would keep Connor at 6 and Scott and Miloudi in the centres and Logan and one other on the wing.
Boy oh boy we are low on troops in the back line'"
Think we need Yeaman's defensive quality in the back line at the minute as its very inexperienced at this level. Whilst Miloudi is very good going forward and seems to be a bit of a maverick his defence is not a strong point. Considering Yeaman hasn't trained for a year and a half or played a competitive game since 2016 in all fairness he did the job that was asked and played 80mins.
Its a very tough ask for Scott & Miloudi to go up against Atkins/Goodwin and then Makinson/Percival.
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| Quote ="ccs"I know it doesn't getting any better, but Harris is cup tied.
(ps. Shaun Wane is leaving wigan at the end of the season.)'"
Forgot it was the Cup game against St's in all the excitement.
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| Quote ="Erik the not red"Of course Hull played down the middle a lot. It wasn't too far off of the first choice pack and they were up against the weakest one in SL. At the same time a 2 -7 composed of debutants, a retiree and players out of position was unlikely to gel together well and not surprisingly it didn't.
Spot on tactics from Radford to get the win - how anyone can criticise him on that is insane.
Then again if you coached them with your sports psychologist in tow then no doubt Hull would have won by 50.'"
If we had a sports psychologist we wouldn't be making as many dumb plays/fighting/giving away needless penalties/switching off as often as we do, clearly you don't get human beings.
We'd have won by more if we'd not done the same old dumb stuff, if we'd passed the ball more, instead we kept clanging it down the middle which was at times was a wasted tackle or two in almost every set.
Tactics to beat a pub team, just lol, it was purely through having a better team out, that pack was a match for any in SL but wasn't used effectively for the most part. We drew them in but then failed to get it out wide often enough.
So if you are on debut you don't trust to them and don't pass it out for them to make a play in case they fail, what utter crud, that's part and parcel of how you stunt development. It's a bit like bringing on a youngster with 5-10 minutes to go in a game you've already won (something Radford has done numerous times in his tenure), other teams/coaches put their kids in and let them play, if they make mistakes so be it but it's how we as humans develop not just in sport but in life. And if he didn't trust to get the ball out to his retiree (who was a passenger all game) why did he bother to include him at all, particularly at the expense/exclusion of someone who'd been playing regularly? The debutant was not out of place at all and would have been just fine, it's not like he isn't used to actually playing rugby, it's not like he's the first debutant in sport, there's simply no trust in the capabilities and thus as I've said all along he stunts the growth of players at the club.We simply did not use the backs effectively which is our style in a nutshell and highlights Radford's failure's,
He is so concerned with being ultra conservative that it's actually detrimental to our performance. He can't see past banging it down the middle and using brute force (hence the team he's built) too often instead of utilising the backs when we have the opportunity to do so, yesterday we could have ripped them a new one, pound them down the middle and then get it out wide, nope we went for the stale/same old and managed to scrape past including all the usual BS with regards to discipline/dumb plays which rears its head every weekend and Radford cannot/will not address but come up with some rubbish for the media.
As I said, I simply do not think he will take the club any further, I really thought at the start of the season he had turned a corner and was learning to recognise what he needs to do to improve things this and yet the Fev game (where we were opened up at the edges too easily just like yesterday) and indeed other games this season has for me nailed it that he's simply not capable of delivering us a GF winning team.
Too many on here seem to be satisfied with a back to back CC win, yes that's nice but with the squads we've had and particularly a season were we had barely any injuries and blew the potential of the treble, meh, Wigan and Leeds would say that was not good enough in 4 years.
Get an attack coach AND someone to advise him how to get the players to not just listen to what he's telling them but to strengthen them mentally to carry that out particularly in concentration through games when fatigued and the errors/penalties/discipline area which would improve us, but he won't because he won't accept his limitations. He keeps saying the same things to the media but the reality is he does not have the skillset to be able to get the players to change.
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| Quote ="Chris71"To be honest for St's depending how it goes in Friday at Warrington I'd be tempted to keep it as is with Connor/Harris and have Miloudi on the bench.'"
Harris can't play in the cup, otherwise I would agree
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Surely Kirk can hang his boots up and we can use Miloudi who made more metres than Kirk in one run and less errors.
I would keep Connor at 6 and Scott and Miloudi in the centres and Logan and one other on the wing.
Boy oh boy we are low on troops in the back line'"
If Griffin wasn't injured I'd agree.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Quote ="Chris71"To be honest for St's depending how it goes in Friday at Warrington I'd be tempted to keep it as is with Connor/Harris and have Miloudi on the bench.'"
Harris can't play in the cup, otherwise I would agree'"
Quote ="Chris71"Forgot it was the Cup game against St's in all the excitement.'"
I forgot it was the cup game Dave K ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Game over, we're never gonna win this
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Don't ever have a go at Mrs B again for this.
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| Quote ="Karen"Don't ever have a go at Mrs B again for this.'"
I'm pretty sure that was him doing an ironic Mrs B impression tbf. Hence the eye roll.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I'm pretty sure that was him doing an ironic Mrs B impression tbf. Hence the eye roll.'"
If it was, then that's just another example of his obsession and inability to let things go
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Big, big raps to everyone pulling on the shirt yesterday. Some of the negative comments on here are beyond belief. That was an heroic effort from everyone involved and had we had our first team out we would have put 50 points plus on the Dobbins. The uber critics on here need to rein their necks in and support the boys and the coach, who's doing a magnificent job.'"
Spot on mal.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"If we had a sports psychologist we wouldn't be making as many dumb plays/fighting/giving away needless penalties/switching off as often as we do, clearly you don't get human beings.
We'd have won by more if we'd not done the same old dumb stuff, if we'd passed the ball more, instead we kept clanging it down the middle which was at times was a wasted tackle or two in almost every set.
Tactics to beat a pub team, just lol, it was purely through having a better team out, that pack was a match for any in SL but wasn't used effectively for the most part. We drew them in but then failed to get it out wide often enough.
So if you are on debut you don't trust to them and don't pass it out for them to make a play in case they fail, what utter crud, that's part and parcel of how you stunt development. It's a bit like bringing on a youngster with 5-10 minutes to go in a game you've already won (something Radford has done numerous times in his tenure), other teams/coaches put their kids in and let them play, if they make mistakes so be it but it's how we as humans develop not just in sport but in life. And if he didn't trust to get the ball out to his retiree (who was a passenger all game) why did he bother to include him at all, particularly at the expense/exclusion of someone who'd been playing regularly? The debutant was not out of place at all and would have been just fine, it's not like he isn't used to actually playing rugby, it's not like he's the first debutant in sport, there's simply no trust in the capabilities and thus as I've said all along he stunts the growth of players at the club.We simply did not use the backs effectively which is our style in a nutshell and highlights Radford's failure's,
He is so concerned with being ultra conservative that it's actually detrimental to our performance. He can't see past banging it down the middle and using brute force (hence the team he's built) too often instead of utilising the backs when we have the opportunity to do so, yesterday we could have ripped them a new one, pound them down the middle and then get it out wide, nope we went for the stale/same old and managed to scrape past including all the usual BS with regards to discipline/dumb plays which rears its head every weekend and Radford cannot/will not address but come up with some rubbish for the media.
As I said, I simply do not think he will take the club any further, I really thought at the start of the season he had turned a corner and was learning to recognise what he needs to do to improve things this and yet the Fev game (where we were opened up at the edges too easily just like yesterday) and indeed other games this season has for me nailed it that he's simply not capable of delivering us a GF winning team.
Too many on here seem to be satisfied with a back to back CC win, yes that's nice but with the squads we've had and particularly a season were we had barely any injuries and blew the potential of the treble, meh, Wigan and Leeds would say that was not good enough in 4 years.
Get an attack coach AND someone to advise him how to get the players to not just listen to what he's telling them but to strengthen them mentally to carry that out particularly in concentration through games when fatigued and the errors/penalties/discipline area which would improve us, but he won't because he won't accept his limitations. He keeps saying the same things to the media but the reality is he does not have the skillset to be able to get the players to change.'"
My my you have been busy today. This ludicrous rubbish and you have been on the Grauniad website slagging Radford off as well spouting the same drivel. Time to get that petition going again. I suppose Shaul would have got 6 tries yesterday as well if it wasn't for Radford's bullying of him. And sports psychologists now stop penalties in a fast moving, high impact collision sport - you couldn't make this up surely.
I'm sure you have plenty of examples where coaches play to their weaknesses rather than take advantage of their strengths. Hull's big advantage was in the pack yesterday and they used it well, once in front they were never going to get caught. By the same token the dobbins knew there best chance was to attack a makeshift back line with 2 centres playing winger with a debutant and a rusty retired player inside them. Sensible by their coach as well. It wasn't a great performance by Hull and it wouldn't have worked against a top 4 side but it got the points fairly comfortably. Most on here recognise that in the circumstances the coach was facing he did OK.
For the past 2 seasons only 2 sides have finished in the top 4 twice which shows its not an easy thing to do in the current levelled out Super League. Guess who is the coach of one of them?
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| I'll always support the players/team, never stopped making the long journey up in 29 years (barring a few years for certain reasons) no matter who was in charge and what the results, I'll support the coach when he's doing a good job, the first two years he was garbage, last 2 years improved but he's gone as far as he can on his own, isn't/hasn't taken us forward since 2016 and isn't capable despite huge financial backing to be a big/dominant force in the game unless either he changes or he gets people in to make changes for him that he currently is unable to do.
people saying this season is a transition season is a complete nonsense, we've gone backwards and the reasons are clear as day, don't mention injuries, all clubs get them and all clubs get them just as bad as we have. we showed Sunday that despite a long list of injuries we have classy and capable players even down to the junior squad members who did not look out of place at all, yet again proving they will do the job IF given the chance, but time and again Radford stunts their progress, it takes injuries for him to really give them a shout.
I guess some/most fans are happy with the odd CC win and getting to the play-offs.
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| Never foe'd anyone yet, but the time is rapidly approaching, what utter rubbish you keep posting bumpy, you're an embarrassment to the club and all its supporters.
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| I'm starting to want Radford to go just so bumpy shuts the up
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| Quote ="the cal train"I'm starting to want Radford to go just so bumpy shuts the love up'"
He'll be at Wigan next year ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| mose masoe a massive 55 m from his 11 carries. Total pudding
paea 136m from 15 carries
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