I don't think we improved in all those areas and we still were inconsistent (Widnes away then Bulls away as examples). However I would say there were improvements in how we played. Which is why I can't understand how we seem to have gone backwards.

The issue for me is that we don't have any identity in how we play. We don't have a structure which we can see slowly taking shape. We just look like a rabble.

It's been a bug bearer of mine for ages the lack of skill level we have at the club . We just never seem to improve under succession coaches .

At least he'd get the umpa lumpas playing with passion

The really frustrating thing is, Paul, that we [idid[/i see improvements in all these areas last season. And arguably in the first few games of this season. I'm not saying we solved these problems entirely but we did improve.

Now we've gone backwards and have fallen into the same old patterns of play. I don't believe that's down to Gentle but he's the one who has to deal with it - and sooner rather than later.

Gentle agrees with you mate. He made it clear in his after match interview that despite the injuries and all that went with them he was confident of winning with the side that we put out.

He need to find a way of getting the players reproducing in matches what they do in training. Although for me it's a sad state of affairs if they can't do this in a Derby off their own back. Add in the fact that at least two of them clearly could and you have to wonder what's going on with the rest of them.

It's often said you learn more about players in defeat than victory. Same goes for the coach. Gentle's had a rough hand this season but he's not alone. Several coaches have been without half-backs / key players & most of them have found some sort of fix. Not ideal but you play the cards you're dealt.
This is where Gentles limitations have been exposed imo, an inability to think laterally & develop a plan b when he's outside of his comfort zone...& this looks like it's transferred to the players.
I knew we'd won yesterday when Galea knocked on. The body language of Hulls players was awful. Every single one dropped their heads, no leadership, no belief. Even at 0-0 they looked like they'd accepted defeat. Can't look beyond your coach for that.

This is why I've been saying all season. What has changed? It's weird.

It's really baffling mate, it's basic passing skills.

Which is why for me you have to blame players and coach in equal measures. That said a top coach would sort it out.

Most coaches would sort it out by dropping under performing players. Gentle has said as much himself. Unfortunately we're now in a position where that simply isn't possible. Gentle has to find another way and TBH I have no idea what that might be.

not to belittle fc but what top coach would want to come? who do you catagorise as top? The likes of sheen, Bennett etc dont need the money or a team building exercise. Their likes only come to clubs with an already winning mentality and just needs their powder of gold dust to take them ever higher. its not a money thing its more of an ego thing.

It's back! Press it!

I pressed it shortly after half time yesterday.

Daniel Anderson
Steve foulkes
Jason Taylor

Them 3 would improve us.

How do you explain Bennett to the perpetually under performing Dragons then? Or same to Newcastle?

sensible targets.

Personally I hope AP gives Gentle more time, Gentle's never had the opportunity to field his 'gun' players together as yet.

Maybe the players aren't receptive to his man-management ,or Gentle's honeymoon period is over - who knows?

I read an interesting article from Harrison Hansen, saying players were in a 'comfort zone' before Maguire took the reins at Wigan,and after 3 days Commando training with the Army in freezing conditions,it gave the team a new mental attitude,also Maguire demanded his players were in the gym at 6.30 am.

Certainly there is no excuse, that the basics cannot be achieved, just hard work and practice.

Shaun Wane
Brian McDermott
Francis Cummings
Paul Anderson

Oh No they are English - Maybe its down to Radders after all

Lose to Wakefield (which we will) some people's wishes will come true.

bit harsh on PG with all the injuries in hand.

Its a results business, Peter Sharp was axed despite finishing 2nd and 4th in his first two seasons.

I also don't buy the injuries excuse, it is attacking creativity we lack, and the only creative players out are Holdsworth and Seymour (who's proven he isn't good enough anyway) Ellis, Yeaman, Lynch etc are good players who will make a difference, but we won't suddenly start playing attacking free-flowing rugby when they return.

A lot have supporters have had enough and the fact we was missing a lot of players will make no difference.
The players are either s hit or the coaches instructions are s hit or the average players are incapable of following the most basic of instructions.

I've read and listened to the likes Houghton, Tickle & Briscoe aswell as Mr Motivator Gentle.

The club is sinking without a captain

I wont talk about passion and pride in the jersey because we all know the players don't appear to give a fook.

he can only hand out shirts and instructions he cant play 4 em ive seen them train and they do all the wedges drops and plays other SL clubs do, when were at full strength and gelling and we arnt getting results then bring out the axe.

Don't worry a world class is scheduled to arrive for 2014*

*Please note this may be subject to change after enough season tickets are sold...

How many more years do you think that the majority of our supporters will fall for this?

And look where that got us.