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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Or maybe swain was the bigger loss.
There's no way cooke would be getting 25+ try assists in our current team'"
Yeaman and Briscoe would be scoring a lot more, we would be a much better side, the Cooke of old that is.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Or maybe swain was the bigger loss.
There's no way cooke would be getting 25+ try assists in our current team'"
I think it would be hard for most players in the world to get that many assists with our current playing style. I'd also wager that the best chance would be at fullback rather than a half or hooker.
Swain was a great player, probably the best of the era in which I've watched Hull, but I don't think attack is one of the key things we lost by his departure. Directly it's been more his leadership, tackling, and work ethic. The attacking problems have come from a combination of poor recruitment and either laziness off the ball or a conscious decision to preserve energy for in defence IMO, all of which came mostly from Peter Sharp. Obviously Swain leaving and Sharp arriving weren't far apart though, so it could be a bit of both, but I'd lean more towards Sharp for the demise of our attacking skill.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"but I'd lean more towards Sharp for the demise of our attacking skill.'"
Whilst you can say we didn't attack under Sharp, you also have to take into account that he's been gone ages.
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| Quote ="Standee"Whilst you can say we didn't attack under Sharp, you also have to take into account that he's been gone ages.'"
I said he started it, which he did. Then his number 2 took over and picked up where he left off. Agar's simply continued what he learnt from Sharp IMO. It still traces back to then.
It's like what happened at Bradford, McNamara just did pretty much what he'd seen Noble do, albeit with lesser and ageing players. Barge, barge, barge, out to the big winger (he tried to replace Vainikolo with Tupou). People stick to what they know.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I said he started it, which he did. Then his number 2 took over and picked up where he left off. Agar's simply continued what he learnt from Sharp IMO. It still traces back to then.
It's like what happened at Bradford, McNamara just did pretty much what he'd seen Noble do, albeit with lesser and ageing players. Barge, barge, barge, out to the big winger (he tried to replace Vainikolo with Tupou). People stick to what they know.'"
Yup, spot on.
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| Sammut on the bench for Crusaders......?
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| Quote ="Standee"Sammut on the bench for Crusaders......?'"
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| here we go again can see it tommorrow hulls bid for sammut accepted just sorting out liitle details ect and should be here within a couple of weeks heard from a very good source who never lets me down
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| Sorry to drag up old ground but can anyone tell me if we can still sign sammut the way i understand the quota is that now we signed phelps we have no room for sammut and who are our quota/non fed players.
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| Quote ="BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE"Sorry to drag up old ground but can anyone tell me if we can still sign sammut the way i understand the quota is that now we signed phelps we have no room for sammut and who are our quota/non fed players.'"
Maltese but Non-Fed
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| Quote ="Standee"Maltese but Non-Fed'"
So is that a yay or nay?
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| Quote ="BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE"So is that a yay or nay?'"
I personally think it's never been a yay, Crusaders would be stupid to release him.
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| We don't have a non-fed spot so we can't sign Sammutt.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"We don't have a non-fed spot so we can't sign Sammutt.'"
Thats what i thought aswell
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| Quote ="PAUL M"We don't have a non-fed spot so we can't sign Sammutt.'"
I wouldn't like to see the club protesting to Red Hall about tongan players or sych like.
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| So wouldnt the Maltese passport not work for us ?
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"So wouldnt the Maltese passport not work for us ?'"
Doesn't matter, as Paul says, we don't have a Non Fed spot.
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| The way i have it is
fitzgibbon quota/non fed
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so thats 3 quota and 5 non fed so we couldnt sign sammut but could sign 2 fed trained quota players, am i right
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| Sammutt keeps getting swatted like a fly in the defensive line.
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| Quote ="Farmer Giles"Sammutt keeps getting swatted like a fly in the defensive line.'"
But that's the thing, the position isn't meant to do the amount of defense as we FC fans are used to seeing our backs do, he's there to be creative. He looks decent, but not a player I'd be throwing money at signing.
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| Quote ="Standee"But that's the thing, the position isn't meant to do the amount of defense as we FC fans are used to seeing our backs do, he's there to be creative. He looks decent, but not a player I'd be throwing money at signing.'"
Halves are regularly targeted on the edges these days by attacking teams. Sammut wants to go back to the NRL doesn't he ? Would be surprised if he gets a top level club based upon his seeming weakness in defence to room to hide there.
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| Quote ="BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE"The way i have it is
fitzgibbon quota/non fed
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phelps/ quota/non fed
moa non fed
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so thats 3 quota and 5 non fed so we couldnt sign sammut but could sign 2 fed trained quota players, am i right
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| Quote ="Standee"But that's the thing, the position isn't meant to do the amount of defense as we FC fans are used to seeing our backs do, he's there to be creative. He looks decent, but not a player I'd be throwing money at signing.'"
I agree, he's a good player but not worth spending a lot of money on espeically not for 1 or 2 seasons, Witt is a better player for me.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I don't doubt that berrigan is a great player and will probably show that playing for the warriors. As you say, he didn't have teh best players with him at Hull, but more than that I'd say we didn't have a game plan which utilised his strengths. I'd have had him far more involved than agar ever did and had the players operating to support his style of play'"
agree we didnt play to berrigans strengths , on two counts .no buga went with him and that includes our "stars" and agar couldnt have been more inept .still learning no doubt The kid must have been well ed at times
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