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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Maybe they'd be better to pool resources at foundation level to work on increasing that pool rather than relying on our amateur clubs?
I mentioned over on the VT my experience of the Leeds Rhinos Foundation and their work at grassroots at improving local coaching and participation numbers. It all filters upwards to the Rhinos academy. They have fifteen full time foundation staff, and one of their current initiatives is to set up U7's sides at each junior club.
It seems to me that both clubs have identified a problem, but rather than looking to fix/improve the issue, they've come up with this reactive badly thought-out solution.'"
Both clubs are in schools and we've had players come down and coach our lads, including Ellis & Pryce. Participation is down, everywhere, that's a fact. We have u7's at most if not all our junior clubs, with most having plenty at 4 & 5 training too. More and more kids are leaving Rugby for football and having a premiership football team has helped drive that.
Merger isn't something that sits easy, I for one am not happy, but what do we do? Not support our current crop in this system?
I'm sure part of this joint venture is to address the issues lower down, too. |
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| Quote ="*1865*"Both clubs are in schools and we've had players come down and coach our lads, including Ellis & Pryce. Participation is down, everywhere, that's a fact. We have u7's at most if not all our junior clubs, with most having plenty at 4 & 5 training too. More and more kids are leaving Rugby for football and having a premiership football team has helped drive that.
Merger isn't something that sits easy, I for one am not happy, but what do we do? Not support our current crop in this system?
I'm sure part of this joint venture is to address the issues lower down, too.'"
I just don't see their plan as any kind of solution to dwindling participation numbers.
You know junior RL in Hull way better than me, but if most clubs are running an U7's (& younger), is it a case that there just aren't enough clubs, or are kids losing interest as they grow older? Those are the questions I'd be looking to answer if I was Hull FC & Hull KR, and looking at trying to fix them.
Do the clubs spread their net enough - Do we scout outside of Hull (a poster from West Yorks seemed to suggest not), what are the clubs doing to create new clubs both in Hull and in outlying towns? In North Leeds alone, two new junior clubs have been created in recent years with the Rhinos help. One just last year, now they have four junior sides.
This initiative seems a little desperate to me. It's also very hard to accept when we have such a good U19's side that competes with Wigan/Leeds/Saints etc following the investment under Pearson. Is the issue their transition into the first team from U19's, rather than not having the talent? Crooks, Cunningham, Hadley, Bowden, Green, Shaul all look to have the talent & capability but are we doing enough to turn them into solid, starting SL players? And, how will this transition change under the new merged academy? |
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"I just don't see their plan as any kind of solution to dwindling participation numbers.
You know junior RL in Hull way better than me, but if most clubs are running an U7's (& younger), is it a case that there just aren't enough clubs, or are kids losing interest as they grow older? Those are the questions I'd be looking to answer if I was Hull FC & Hull KR, and looking at trying to fix them.
Do the clubs spread their net enough - Do we scout outside of Hull (a poster from West Yorks seemed to suggest not), what are the clubs doing to create new clubs both in Hull and in outlying towns? In North Leeds alone, two new junior clubs have been created in recent years with the Rhinos help. One just last year, now they have four junior sides.
This initiative seems a little desperate to me. It's also very hard to accept when we have such a good U19's side that competes with Wigan/Leeds/Saints etc following the investment under Pearson. Is the issue their transition into the first team from U19's, rather than not having the talent? Crooks, Cunningham, Hadley, Bowden, Green, Shaul all look to have the talent & capability but are we doing enough to turn them into solid, starting SL players? And, how will this transition change under the new merged academy?'"
It's difficult for both clubs to recruit from outside the East Riding. We're 50 miles from the nearest RL playing area and no matter how much we want player x it's simply not practical to expect a player to choose Hull, especially when Leeds are on their doorstep.
I don't think the problem is identified at the level going through right now, it seems more of a proactive measure to address problems identified coming through. You look at ours and Rovers 19's at the minute and between us I reckon there's only 20 players that have a realistic chance of being SL players between us, luckily for us the majority are at Hull. At present we're struggling to turn that potential in to real outcomes. The idea I suppose is that we'll take the best 30 and really concentrate on them with pooled resources in order to get them the best in sports science, education etc. to hopefully increase our conversion rate.
Problem with the younger ones is everybody wants to play for Easts, West, Wyke or Skirlaugh. This creates a problem where a lot of kids just aren't getting the focused training needed. As they progress the talent becomes spread to other teams but a lot just simply fall away.
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| Quote ="*1865*"It's difficult for both clubs to recruit from outside the East Riding. We're 50 miles from the nearest RL playing area and no matter how much we want player x it's simply not practical to expect a player to choose Hull, especially when Leeds are on their doorstep.
I don't think the problem is identified at the level going through right now, it seems more of a proactive measure to address problems identified coming through. You look at ours and Rovers 19's at the minute and between us I reckon there's only 20 players that have a realistic chance of being SL players between us, luckily for us the majority are at Hull. At present we're struggling to turn that potential in to real outcomes. The idea I suppose is that we'll take the best 30 and really concentrate on them with pooled resources in order to get them the best in sports science, education etc. to hopefully increase our conversion rate.
Problem with the younger ones is everybody wants to play for Easts, West, Wyke or Skirlaugh. This creates a problem where a lot of kids just aren't getting the focused training needed. As they progress the talent becomes spread to other teams but a lot just simply fall away.
Unfortunately, RL can't compete with football.'"
Appreciate that. There certainly seems to be big issues in Hull. |
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Appreciate that. There certainly seems to be big issues in Hull.'"
Massive issues. Bigger than the two clubs IMO.
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Quote ="*1865*"It's difficult for both clubs to recruit from outside the East Riding. We're 50 miles from the nearest RL playing area and no matter how much we want player x it's simply not practical to expect a player to choose Hull, especially when Leeds are on their doorstep.
I don't think the problem is identified at the level going through right now, it seems more of a proactive measure to address problems identified coming through. You look at ours and Rovers 19's at the minute and between us I reckon there's only 20 players that have a realistic chance of being SL players between us, luckily for us the majority are at Hull. At present we're struggling to turn that potential in to real outcomes. The idea I suppose is that we'll take the best 30 and really concentrate on them with pooled resources in order to get them the best in sports science, education etc. to hopefully increase our conversion rate.
Problem with the younger ones is everybody wants to play for Easts, West, Wyke or Skirlaugh. This creates a problem where a lot of kids just aren't getting the focused training needed. As they progress the talent becomes spread to other teams but a lot just simply fall away.
Unfortunately, RL can't compete with football.'"
My son's one ambition in life is to be a professional rugby player. I would gladly make the journey from Castleford to Hull to help him achieve his ambition, just as I would make the journey to Wigan should they want him. As I said in my original post there are scouts from Lancashire clubs at our games. Wigan have a scout based in the area, they are that keen to make sure no stone is unturned.
My son has been to embed the pathway sessions during school holidays at Wakefield and Castleford and at both there were lads from Hull. I bet there wasn't a single lad from outside of the Hull amateur teams at the sessions run by Hull and Rovers. There is a big world of opportunity and player talent out there if you choose to look.
There are 43 teams operating at under 13's and one under 13's team playing in the age group above in Yorkshire, that will be almost 800 participants. Admittedly not every one will have the potential to become a professional player, and some might have their hearts set on playing on their doorstep, but not everyone. There are clubs in Rotherham, Doncaster that are largely ignored. If the link works this lad is just 14 and a terrific athlete but at an unfashionable lower league club. Hull needs to stop being so insular and look further afield.
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I don't think the problem is identified at the level going through right now, it seems more of a proactive measure to address problems identified coming through. You look at ours and Rovers 19's at the minute and between us I reckon there's only 20 players that have a realistic chance of being SL players between us, luckily for us the majority are at Hull. At present we're struggling to turn that potential in to real outcomes. The idea I suppose is that we'll take the best 30 and really concentrate on them with pooled resources in order to get them the best in sports science, education etc. to hopefully increase our conversion rate.
Problem with the younger ones is everybody wants to play for Easts, West, Wyke or Skirlaugh. This creates a problem where a lot of kids just aren't getting the focused training needed. As they progress the talent becomes spread to other teams but a lot just simply fall away.
Unfortunately, RL can't compete with football.'"
My son's one ambition in life is to be a professional rugby player. I would gladly make the journey from Castleford to Hull to help him achieve his ambition, just as I would make the journey to Wigan should they want him. As I said in my original post there are scouts from Lancashire clubs at our games. Wigan have a scout based in the area, they are that keen to make sure no stone is unturned.
My son has been to embed the pathway sessions during school holidays at Wakefield and Castleford and at both there were lads from Hull. I bet there wasn't a single lad from outside of the Hull amateur teams at the sessions run by Hull and Rovers. There is a big world of opportunity and player talent out there if you choose to look.
There are 43 teams operating at under 13's and one under 13's team playing in the age group above in Yorkshire, that will be almost 800 participants. Admittedly not every one will have the potential to become a professional player, and some might have their hearts set on playing on their doorstep, but not everyone. There are clubs in Rotherham, Doncaster that are largely ignored. If the link works this lad is just 14 and a terrific athlete but at an unfashionable lower league club. Hull needs to stop being so insular and look further afield.
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Pearson on the merger...
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
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Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
Amazed at his comments, he is oblivious to the importance of a Head Coaches role.. He's clueless.. | |
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Quote ="weaver93"Pearson on the merger...
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
Amazed at his comments, he is oblivious to the importance of a Head Coaches role.. He's clueless..'"
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www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
Amazed at his comments, he is oblivious to the importance of a Head Coaches role.. He's clueless..'"
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The HDM piece is just the start of the annual propaganda campaign to persuade people to renew their passes. "Look how everything's been improved" "I've spent an extra £500,000 a year" yadda yadda.
He said last year that 2015 would be our year and he wouldn't be talking things up if we weren't challenging up the table. So the answer is to tell us how great the new academy set up will be. And he's "surprised" by the reaction? What did he expect?
If he's right it will take years for any benefits of going back to grass roots to come through. How much patience are we expected to have?
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|  Quote ="Lang Park"The HDM piece is just the start of the annual propaganda campaign to persuade people to renew their passes. "Look how everything's been improved" "I've spent an extra £500,000 a year" yadda yadda.
He said last year that 2015 would be our year and he wouldn't be talking things up if we weren't challenging up the table. So the answer is to tell us how great the new academy set up will be. And he's "surprised" by the reaction? What did he expect?
If he's right it will take years for any benefits of going back to grass roots to come through. How much patience are we expected to have?'"
still don't see the benefits (for us) of this apart from saving money. tell me we will have better players etc all you want, but its naff all to do with that. |
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The major problem really is obvious. He's either stubbornly refusing to admit it, or simply delusional if he can't see it. What makes it even more obvious is that for a period it did start to improve (still plenty left, though) and he undid it.
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Quote ="weaver93"Pearson on the merger...
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
Amazed at his comments, he is oblivious to the importance of a Head Coaches role.. He's clueless..'"
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www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Adam Pearson"We have changed everything & still not worked"
Here's an idea bring in a proven & experienced Coach,havent tried that one yet.
Amazed at his comments, he is oblivious to the importance of a Head Coaches role.. He's clueless..'"
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Personally I don't think the academy merger will effect us, we will still get 2/3 players each year coming through, hopefully they will be better players as the coaching and preparation will be better.
The big concern is the the first team coaching.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Im sure its been mentioned already but surely the problem is simply coaching? Neither club needs to merge anything - they need to spend more on coaching then produce quality local talent. All thats now gonna happen is were gonna produce the same average quality players but then were gonna have to devided them between two clubs!!! Problem is Pearsons skint and Grudge is loving the fact that he can get to use FC academy setup at Brantingham on the cheap. Pearson really is a clueless dick who needs to sell up'"
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| Think he pressed to merge this year to take the heat off Radders 
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I'm coming to the game on Sunday. Are you doing anything like a petition and/or a demonstration about the merger of the academies ? I would support this if you were and would imagine so would plenty of other away fans,
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I'm coming to the game on Sunday. Are you doing anything like a petition and/or a demonstration about the merger of the academies ? I would support this if you were and would imagine so would plenty of other away fans,'"
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Assuming the merger does go ahead, why not call the team "Hull City", as it could well be available soon.
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In would say both Pearson & Hudgell have not thought about the negative implications merging the Academies would have on the fan bases of both clubs.
I just can not see any real benefit for this move as the negatives far outway any real positives if there actually are?
For me the biggest reason why we as a club fail to bring the youth through is the lack of quality and experienced Coaching from the Head Coach down through the youth development.
As the club is now the 3 main Coaches are Radford, Last & Horne not exactly a who's who of proven coaching. This is where the problem is we now have a Head Coach who is totally in experienced and has poor man management skills as has been proven. Only Radford has been to another club but only as a player. As for coaching non have experienced any out of the club so we are so insular and that for me is the problem
AP should have paid to get a Coach with a proven track record and got rid of all the backroom staff that have continually been part of the failure. Instead he rewarded an inexperienced assistant that was part and parcel of the failure by giving him the Head Coach role and he wonders why nothing is improving?????
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ive been watching the x-files box set recently, so I have my conspiracy head on as I type this:
what if, pearson and allam have been along, allam has always said he would have ONE rugby team in hull(merge them). pearson runs us down into the depths of disrepair, we get to small a attendance that having us at the KC isn't financially viable anymore. allam buys fc from pearson, already input a £1m(interest free loan) into kr, and instead of calling that back, could take over the reins from hudgell.
move hull fc to mini kc and merge the 2 teams together. he can then take over at the kc stadium!!!!
DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMM
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| Quote ="Offy"ive been watching the x-files box set recently, so I have my conspiracy head on as I type this:
what if, pearson and allam have been along, allam has always said he would have ONE rugby team in hull(merge them). pearson runs us down into the depths of disrepair, we get to small a attendance that having us at the KC isn't financially viable anymore. allam buys fc from pearson, already input a £1m(interest free loan) into kr, and instead of calling that back, could take over the reins from hudgell.
move hull fc to mini kc and merge the 2 teams together. he can then take over at the kc stadium!!!!
DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMM'"
Were you drinking whiskey whilst watching that X-Files box set LOL.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Were you drinking whiskey whilst watching that X-Files box set LOL.
Sounds far fetched but given the three Hull teams chequered pasts who knows?'"
no whiskey mate  think I may have been abit light headed when typing it...after being abducted by aliens   |
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| Quote ="Offy"ive been watching the x-files box set recently, so I have my conspiracy head on as I type this:
what if, pearson and allam have been along, allam has always said he would have ONE rugby team in hull(merge them). pearson runs us down into the depths of disrepair, we get to small a attendance that having us at the KC isn't financially viable anymore. allam buys fc from pearson, already input a £1m(interest free loan) into kr, and instead of calling that back, could take over the reins from hudgell.
move hull fc to mini kc and merge the 2 teams together. he can then take over at the kc stadium!!!!
DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMM'"
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| Quote ="bonaire"Allam wont be around next season so don't worry'"
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think I may have been abit light headed when typing it...after being abducted by aliens 
