Anyone who cant see what Westerman brings must watch with their eyes closed. Most consistent performer for 2 seasons imo. As for Abdull, he has everything to be a top class 6, we shouldn't be pigeon holing him as a 13 just because hes a big lad. We struggle to produce half backs in this country as it is.

If Washbrook would of played for Hull instead of Westerman this season, It would of made very little difference to any results. Westermans overrated in my opinion. No hope for me ha, you are such a bell, cant you make your point without been such a dik. I bet you've got one of them faces people just want to slap for no apparent reason

I said early doors I wanted Abdull as a 6 and was shouted down by so many saying that he's an out and out 13, clearly the lad is class but right now, he isn't a 13 for the game we play and defensively not even close.

Westerman brings a lot to the table and it's easy for some to see the mistakes of someone that you hold up high as one of your better players whom isn't quite a fan favourite because he doesn't do anything flambouyant or fancy.

Westerman is a beast in the tackle and does a heck of a lot of minutes for a big guy, given he's being asked to do a lot of tackling AND in parts to bust the line/offload too he does a heck of a job covering the ground he does and as the stats show not making an awful lot of errors/giving penalties away either.

I'd love to see JA make the 6 berth his own with the possibility to move to 13 later in his career but right now Westerman is our 13 and I think JA would be wasted there.

But when that opinion is in conflict with facts, you should expect it to be challenged Tinker.

Don't have a problem with that at all, its his last comment that annoys me. Just no need, but typical of kosh, because he says or thinks something, it must be right. noticed he didn't mention Westermans tackle busts, clean breaks, try assists and trys, for me the most important for a 13

But you didn't mention clean breaks, try's, try assists in your first post. He's made plenty of tackle busts though.

I suppose it comes down to what you believe a 13 should be vs what the 13 is being asked to do in the team. As our halves are for the most part split, with Sneyd on the left, Abdull/Pryce on the right, Westy acts a lot as first receiver in the oppositions half in order to get the ball shipped out to the halfbacks (who are expected to create/score trys). Being a 'ballhandler' doesn't always mean creating try's but also having the ability to slot into the line and ship the ball accurate and quickly to where it's needed.

I Didn't mention stats either. Anyways he can pass a ball out to our half backs, brilliant. 4/5 seasons of Westerman and still don't see the big deal. And if I was picking the team on form and not age or potential, and it was between Westerman and Abdul for the 13, Id go with Abdul. Especially next season with such a strong pack, I think it could easily accommodate a loose forward with abduls abilities, would give us more in attack

I'm beginning to see why Kosh replied in the manner he did.

What because I don't agree with you either, don't see the problem myself, you rate Westerman, I don't.

More that you have your opinion, but you're so stubborn in that opinion that you're unable to absorb anyone else's points, or take into account other factors. I haven't so far seen anyone agree with you, and most have stated credible reasons why what you want to happen with Hull FC's 13, isn't the best option. You've not given anything credible in return to back up your opinion.

Really? I think you'll find plenty of people on here that think Westermans over rated and as not fulfilled his potential that people have been banging on about for what seems like years. And everybody on here as been raving about Abdul's performances this year, some people think hes not ready for the 13 week in week, that's not a fact just an opinion, I think he could be, Ive not seen anything that suggest he wouldn't be, if we are talking about not been consistent week in week out, we've plenty of seasoned pros who struggle with that, Westerman been one. Abdul as proved he can be first receiver, but he also can beat a man, and give a decent off load, I've not seen to much wrong with his defence, hes a big lad, with an other pre season under his belt, I personally think he could fill the role.

So because Abdull is a 'big lad' and playing well at 6, he should be chucked in at 13? Being a big lad doesn't mean he can handle 30+ tackles a game at 13 yet or handle 80 minutes in the middle of the field.

He's playing very well at 6, why would you want to move him so soon?

I really don't get the negativity with Westy. Is it because he's not a Hull lad, or that we paid a fee for him? He was arguably our best player last season and barring a couple of error-ridden calamities this year, he's been excellent. As for not fulfilling his potential, he played for England last Autumn!?

Basically, there's room for both players in our side.

Not because he's big lad, no. Just saying I think he's physically robust to play 13. I wouldn't move him from 6 right now because pryce is injured. But next season, presuming pryce is fit, I cant see a place for both in the starting 13, I'd like to season Abdul at 13 in our monstrous experienced pack. Westerman been bang average since he came to hull, with a few glimpse of quality, he had half a good season last year in a very poor team. I don't care where hes from or that we paid a fee for him. I just havnt seen what you obviously have. And if we have to lose someone, a higher earner, I wouldn't be bothered if it was him

Westerman does a lot of the dirty work in the middle. We would miss him IMO.

I happen to think JA could replace JW now.

But it's unlikely to happen next season.

What it will mean though is JW will have to deliver the goods knowing that there is a real threat to his place, it might bring the best out of him next year - if not, isn't it great to have options

Genuinely, what are you basing that on?

Can't think of many people that think Abdull can do 80 minutes a week in the middle. Nobody praises the youth and wants them to be brought through more than me, but IMO Abdull isn't capable of 13 in SL yet. Also, why would anyone want to move him from 6?

But he won't play 6 next season I wouldn't have thought if Pryce stays fit? The reality is JA will play at 6 and 13 when LP or JW are not available.

Also I didn't say he should replace JW, just that he could if required. JW hasn't set the world on fire this season, and there are rumours of him going. If we could demand a big fee for him.

I'm just pointing out that if needed I would be confident JA come next season could do a good job there.

Even if Westerman was to leave, it doesn't change my opinion that JA couldn't do the job for 80 minutes week in/week out.

I also think Westy is currently a better 13 than Pryce is a 6. I see Abdull pushing Pryce next year, don't see the need for us to find a starting spot for him yet.

The best place for Abdul next year is on the bench in my opinion. He's not likely to shift Pryce or Westerman barring injury so a bench spot would give him regular game time in either position or even covering Houghton.

All this shows is that for some reason you've formed a dislike of Westerman and it's colouring your opinion. Washbrook's stats are nowhere near as good as Westerman's.


I can, however, make my point without resorting to childish playground insults. But then I have an IQ higher than room temperature.

Irony meter broken, new parts required.

Regarding Westerman, Pryce's commentary on FC Live is interesting. In fact it's a cracking commentary for a number of reasons.

I'm pretty certain you don't actually possess one Martin. It would have self-destructed the instant you touched it.

Isn't Martin banned?

why?