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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The 2 aren't entirely mutually exclusive though, are they? It's like fans saying that Agar and the players are useless, overpaid, and serving up the worst brand of rugby in SL. Both observations [iand[/i criticisms.'" No they are not - but I think that people ae happy to read ngativity into his comments because they dislike Agar as a coach. The comments were ill-advised but I think hae been blown out of proportion.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The 2 aren't entirely mutually exclusive though, are they? It's like fans saying that Agar and the players are useless, overpaid, and serving up the worst brand of rugby in SL. Both observations [iand[/i criticisms.'" No they are not - but I think that people ae happy to read ngativity into his comments because they dislike Agar as a coach. The comments were ill-advised but I think hae been blown out of proportion.
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| Quote ="downtheante"No they are not - but I think that people ae happy to read ngativity into his comments because they dislike Agar as a coach. The comments were ill-advised but I think hae been blown out of proportion.'"
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| Quote ="downtheante"No they are not - but I think that people ae happy to read ngativity into his comments because they dislike Agar as a coach. The comments were ill-advised but I think hae been blown out of proportion.'"
The guy is a prize prat, he basically said "you pay your money, but you can't have an opinions, in case the niceywycey ickle players get a bit fed up", what he should have said is "the fans are telling the team so cold, hard facts, if they don't start listening then we could all be down the job centre on Monday! but he wont, because he is a spinelss, clueless excuse for a coach.
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| Quote ="Standee"The guy is a prize prat, he basically said "you pay your money, but you can't have an opinions, in case the niceywycey ickle players get a bit fed up", what he should have said is "the fans are telling the team so cold, hard facts, if they don't start listening then we could all be down the job centre on Monday! but he wont, because he is a spinelss, clueless excuse for a coach.'"
Did he? Where? I can't find anything that even looks lik that
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| Quote ="downtheante"Did he? Where? I can't find anything that even looks lik that'"
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| Quote ="Standee"The guy is a prize prat, he basically said "you pay your money, but you can't have an opinions, in case the niceywycey ickle players get a bit fed up", what he should have said is "the fans are telling the team so cold, hard facts, if they don't start listening then we could all be down the job centre on Monday! but he wont, because he is a spinelss, clueless excuse for a coach.'"
No, what he should have said in public is nothing. Then tell the players in training that they need to win us back over by putting in the performances that HE knows they are capable of. And maybe add in that if [ithey[/i don't believe they are capable of what he wants, maybe they shouldn't be professional rugby league players.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, what he should have said in public is nothing. Then tell the players in training that they need to win us back over by putting in the performances that HE knows they are capable of. And maybe add in that if [ithey[/i don't believe they are capable of what he wants, maybe they shouldn't be professional rugby league players.'"
Bang on the money bud.
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| Quote ="downtheante"But he didn't really "castigate" did he? Nor did he "hit(s) back at critical Hull fans". He actually asked for our "help" (or support). What he said was:
I don't think it's helping, we've got a nervous team that's low on confidence and you can probably see it's not helping. It's there for all to see.
"We're frustrated, we're all frustrated and it's a tough time but there are reasons and very mitigating factors behind that. We are underperforming but it's at times like this we need the crowd's help more than ever."
Now you tell me would it "help" if your boss or workmates or customers booed you if you had a few bad days in the office?'"
I am the boss mate and most of the staff hate me because I make them turn up on time and do a hard day's graft. Plus I fire any that aren't up to it. You and they can boo me all you want, I don't give a feck. I do care what my customers think though and wouln't dream of criticising them in the national press
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I am the boss mate and most of the staff hate me because I make them turn up on time and do a hard day's graft. Plus I fire any that aren't up to it. You and they can boo me all you want, I don't give a feck. I do care what my customers think though and wouln't dream of criticising them in the national press'"
As I always tell anyone I work with, I am not here to be popular, I am here to get rid of the dead wood, make you all work harder and also make sure the rewards you deserve are forthcoming, if you don't like it, then shove off.
Agar is weak, you only need to look at him, he makes Gollum look dynamic and a go getter. If a man cannot take pride in himself, what else is left?
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| Quote ="Wollagong Way"In my opinion he shouldn't have said anything with regards the fans....he should have played it with a straight bat and deflected it away. I do feel as though this has detracted from what was a poor performance in Friday, all anyone is doing is talking about this issue.....maybe that is what he wanted?
At times I'd love to criticise or make a 'comment' regarding my customers but as a professional i don't!'"
Bang on the money. Anything to deflect attention away from his abysmal coaching
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| Seems like neither "the fans" nor "the coach" like it up 'em
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| He is doing what any coach worth his salt would do and defend his players.
Feck me it's the most sensible and accurate thing he's said all season.
Does anyone honestly think that mocking (because thats what it was) the players and the club is going to help?
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| Quote ="Standee"As I always tell anyone I work with, I am not here to be popular, I am here to get rid of the dead wood, make you all work harder and also make sure the rewards you deserve are forthcoming, if you don't like it, then shove off.
Agar is weak, you only need to look at him, he makes Gollum look dynamic and a go getter. If a man cannot take pride in himself, what else is left?'"
Jeez bloody task masters you lot are !
Getting rid of the deadwood is easy the art in management is inspiring individuals to not become deadwood
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Does anyone honestly think ?'"
I would have left it there tbh.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"He is doing what any coach worth his salt would do and defend his players.
Feck me it's the most sensible and accurate thing he's said all season.
Does anyone honestly think that mocking (because thats what it was) the players and the club is going to help?'"
Strange that considering he has criticised the players recently and to add some of the comments he has made about individuals such as Craig Hall wouldn't inspire you with confidence if you were that player.
Bottom line is whatever he has to say is going to be (where required) twisted and used against him....he is in borrowed time in many fans eyes and rightly so.
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| The fundamental reason businesses exist, both profit and non profit, is because they supply the demands of, and can in many instances create a need for the customer. As soon as the customer falls away and in many instances take their "need" elsewhere or remove that need due to a substandard product or service being offered then ultimately the business will fail. In this instance we (the supporters) are the main customer and Agar suggests that they are causing the business problems.
Agar should also look at "cause" and "effect". the intimation on Friday is that the supporters are adding to the cause of the problem; in truth the booing, slow hand clapping and cheering the opposition is merely part of the effect. Your job Mr Agar is to look after the synergy of the team and the needs of each individual within that team.
From a leadership perspective you are completely out of your depth.
I would also look up the words "us" and "our" on the dictionary, you seem to struggle with these....
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"He is doing what any coach worth his salt would do and defend his players.
Feck me it's the most sensible and accurate thing he's said all season.
Does anyone honestly think that mocking (because thats what it was) the players and the club is going to help?'"
You can disagree with Agar making the comments he did without agreeing with the actions of the fans that triggered them you know.
Regardless of how Agar felt, and regardless of how well justified he may or may not have been, he should never have made those comments in public. It was always going to cause controversy and be, at best, a PR disaster.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"He is doing what any coach worth his salt would do and defend his players. '"
Defending his players from what? Fans expressing their honest (and let's face it, accurate) opinion of their team? He should be apologising to them, not criticising them FFS.
Quote Does anyone honestly think that mocking (because that’s what it was) the players and the club is going to help?'"
If it helps to get rid of Agar then yes, it is going to help.
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| Just a quick thanks to all the fans who came up to us on Friday night, much appreciated and walking back from the game lots of friendly fans too, apart from the ones blaming us for keeping Agar in a job!!
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| Quote ="Dr Hfuhruhurr"Defending his players from what? Fans expressing their honest (and let's face it, accurate) opinion of their team? He should be apologising to them, not criticising them FFS.
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You'd think he might realise that wouldn't you?
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| We happened to see Sam Moa after the Celtic game and he was saying how fantastic the black and white fans were and he could not wait for the derby. He admitted that he thought that the team left it a little late to win the game but said the fans were great and he couldn't see himself playing for any other team. Maybe Rich Agar should listen to his squad and stop slagging the fans off who pay good money to see a team that is totally crap at the moment. I am dreading this weeks derby cos if Hull play like they have been doing we are going to get slaughtered and wont the dobbins fans like that.
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| Quote ="hullfc4ever"We happened to see Sam Moa after the Celtic game and he was saying how fantastic the black and white fans were and he could not wait for the derby. He admitted that he thought that the team left it a little late to win the game but said the fans were great and he couldn't see himself playing for any other team. Maybe Rich Agar should listen to his squad and stop slagging the fans off who pay good money to see a team that is totally crap at the moment. I am dreading this weeks derby cos if Hull play like they have been doing we are going to get slaughtered and wont the dobbins fans like that.'"
Not at all,their concern for our plight will be overwhelming.
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| Are we still on about this?
How has Agar still got a job?! I'm sure he's trying to get sacked.
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| Quote ="downtheante"
Now you tell me would it "help" if your boss or workmates or customers booed you if you had a few bad days in the office?'"
If I had a bad two years in the office, I'd be out of a job. That's worse than being booed.
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