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| Quote ="Dave K."Connor isnt the best FB in the league like you'll said I said, which i never had and he has flaws, but the positives far outweigh the negatives and unless we sign a better FB than Shaul or Wynne, who neither have the skill set to be a modern FB he has to stay there particularly with the options we have at halfback.
What I find funny is that you haven't posted on here for the last few games and as soon as Connor does something wrong you are on here in shot, that's easy to do, but you didn't post after Leeds and other games.'"
Leeds seemed like a great result at the time but they've proved how mediocre they are and are a bottom 4 club these days so again he performed against a struggling side
He go's missing against the top dogs
You can't honestly be proud off his tackling attempt on field?
Apart from passing catching and kicking what are Connors fullback skills?
Hes no pace
Can't tackle
No support play
Not great at retuning the ball with any real threat like shaul is
Funny all them are Shauls main assets though
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| Can't argue with the effort , Just one missed tackle , one piece of Jai Field magic ,without these we could of had the 2 points . We have set a good bench mark with that performance , hope it continues and not just fade away into a another mediocre season .
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Leeds seemed like a great result at the time but they've proved how mediocre they are and are a bottom 4 club these days so again he performed against a struggling side
He go's missing against the top dogs
You can't honestly be proud off his tackling attempt on field?
Apart from passing catching and kicking what are Connors fullback skills?
Hes no pace
Can't tackle
No support play
Not great at retuning the ball with any real threat like shaul is
Funny all them are Shauls main assets though'"
Shaul hasn't had any assets since 2017.
Connor is a better running, particularly close to the line.
Decent support play too, too of my head supporting a break against Sheffield last week and Warrington at home last season.
When was the last time Shaul did that?
You are also not mentioning that Shaul us injury probe now, his time at Hull is finished.
Pace is Connors main problem, but his other skills more than make up for it.
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| Connor v Shaul, who should play, decision has been made by one of the greats in this position, pretty much game over.
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| The fact we haven't beaten the top dogs in SL for 2/3 years means the team doesn't step up, not just Connor.
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| Quote ="Dave K."The fact we haven't beaten the top dogs in SL for 2/3 years means the team doesn't step up, not just Connor.'"
We need some East Riding referees Dave.
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| Quote ="Dave K."See Houghton is being back to being flogged, when you have another hooker on the bench (although not a very good one) use him at hooker.'"
Was waiting for someone to mention this
We need to get a running nine in this team like Parcell showed last night
It was also Houghtons crap pass to the floor that led to Wigans try
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| Quote ="bonaire"Was waiting for someone to mention this
We need to get a running nine in this team like Parcell showed last night
It was also Houghtons crap pass to the floor that led to Wigans try'"
Think we have one, unfortunately he also seems to be our most dangerous halfback.
Still annoyed that Radford didn't play Litten enough and allowed him to leave.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Leeds seemed like a great result at the time but they've proved how mediocre they are and are a bottom 4 club these days so again he performed against a struggling side
He go's missing against the top dogs
You can't honestly be proud off his tackling attempt on field?
Apart from passing catching and kicking what are Connors fullback skills?
Hes no pace
Can't tackle
No support play
Not great at retuning the ball with any real threat like shaul is
Funny all them are Shauls main assets though'"
You think Shaul can tackle??
Seen many a player run past/through him over the years.
In fact very few full backs can tackle these days. It’s a dying art.
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| Shaul can’t tackle and neither can Jake
one of the main reasons Jake struggles v the Top teams is that he’s too busy defending all the time
He’s shattered coming out of his own half
that’s why your best ball players play at 6 so they are fresh when attacking
you don’t ask your best bowler to take wicket when he’s not bowling and also open batting
In a tough match Jake would be shattered defending , and this is what’s happening.
Get Wynne at FB and move Jake
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Shaul can’t tackle and neither can Jake
one of the main reasons Jake struggles v the Top teams is that he’s too busy defending all the time
He’s shattered coming out of his own half
that’s why your best ball players play at 6 so they are fresh when attacking
you don’t ask your best bowler to take wicket when he’s not bowling and also open batting
In a tough match Jake would be shattered defending , and this is what’s happening.
Get Wynne at FB and move Jake'"
Wynne isn't even our best reserve fullback.
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| Quote ="Dave K."See Houghton is being back to being flogged, when you have another hooker on the bench (although not a very good one) use him at hooker.'"
Even when hes spelled he never does much attacking
A 10/15 yard scoot when the opposition are on the back foot isn't good
When players like Roby Clark dwyer would break the line and be a try on the back of that
Houghton has held our attack back so much over the years the opposition know he's not a threat so can move away from acting half quicker
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| Quote ="B0NES"Can't argue with the effort , Just one missed tackle , one piece of Jai Field magic ,without these we could of had the 2 points . We have set a good bench mark with that performance , hope it continues and not just fade away into a another mediocre season .'"
Moment of magic
Watch it again doesn't even step Connor just runs straight through him was a very poor effort
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Shaul can’t tackle and neither can Jake
one of the main reasons Jake struggles v the Top teams is that he’s too busy defending all the time
He’s shattered coming out of his own half
that’s why your best ball players play at 6 so they are fresh when attacking
you don’t ask your best bowler to take wicket when he’s not bowling and also open batting
In a tough match Jake would be shattered defending , and this is what’s happening.
Get Wynne at FB and move Jake'"
Nonsense
Connor won't make hardly any tackles
And running the ball back.... Majority of the time he passes it straight to the winger
Stop with these excuses doesn't do club any good
He needs to up his game against the best end of....now people are starting to see it he isn't invincible
He's got bad habits from Huddersfield they bottled it in the big matches as well and that's what Connor is doing
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Moment of magic
Watch it again doesn't even step Connor just runs straight through him was a very poor effort'" Even Cameron Smith missed the odd tackle. I never wrote him off.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Even Cameron Smith missed the odd tackle. I never wrote him off.'"
Odd tackle
What Liam farrell
Eden
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And all 4 was trys that was terrible
Farrell esp was just embarrassing that is probably the main reason why he's not in the England squad
If your full back can't catch Liam farrell then what's the chances of catching latrell Mitchell or addo Carr
Oh and shaul would of stopped all of them trys 100%
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| And as field/bevan prove pace is what's needed
Whats Connors biggest weakness
Oh yeah.... pace! He has none
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Even Cameron Smith missed the odd tackle. I never wrote him off.'"
Oh so suddenly it wasnt "magic"? It was actually a Connor screw up?
=#FF0000Covid theories have no place here, thank you
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Odd tackle
What Liam farrell
Eden
Cas winger ( can't remember his name he barely played since ) from memory all the in the last 8/9 months
And all 4 was trys that was terrible
Farrell esp was just embarrassing that is probably the main reason why he's not in the England squad
If your full back can't catch Liam farrell then what's the chances of catching latrell Mitchell or addo Carr
Oh and shaul would of stopped all of them trys 100%'"
Of course he would, like he did in the 2016 final, when he was done for pace by Ben Currie, what position is Currie again?
There has been plenty of times Shaul has been beaten, I remember Liam Marshall beating him a couple of times, maybe in Aus?
The facts are Connor is a bit slow, he needs to work on his decision making in defence, Hodgson should be helping him with that. Connors defemce was decent when he has played centr and halfback.
Shaul has pace, but that's it, the rest of his game isn't great, add to the fact he is always injured, if Connor was out on Saturday I still wouldn't play Shaul there, he is finished at decent SL level,.
He may have made those tackles, but would have created little with ball in hand and had Shaul played instead of Connor, im not sure we would have won a game this year.
His one game at fullback was awful, 5 errors and got beat to the ball by Welsby for the try.
I'd happily see Connor at halfback if we sign a decent fullback, that isn't Shaul.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Looking at the stats, far too much work done by the backs, Satae 5 drives is shocking.
Still fail to see what Johnstone brings, offers so little go forward, surely Bowden offers more.
Top pack, but don't think we use it enough'"
Absolutely correct in my opinion. I watched the NRL all weekend any Haas, made 8 drives for Brisbane in the first half alone. Similar thing with Parramatta, so why we persist with players who get pushed back by a hungry opposition is baffling. The backs are fine when the opposition line is disjointed , but when they're set to defend and pin us down, the big men are needed, as they do not concede as much ground when the opposition forwards pile in mob handed. There are some glaring inconsistencies with our game plans, on Thursday I do think we had no idea of how to finish our sets near their line and for all I have criticised him previously, Sneyd would have managed that so much better for us to see the game out I think. We no longer possess the aerial threat of Mahe and Talanoa, so put the ball on the floor, which often produces a drop out or even an error from a scrambling defence.
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| Quote ="GrahamBray"Absolutely correct in my opinion. I watched the NRL all weekend any Haas, made 8 drives for Brisbane in the first half alone. Similar thing with Parramatta, so why we persist with players who get pushed back by a hungry opposition is baffling. The backs are fine when the opposition line is disjointed , but when they're set to defend and pin us down, the big men are needed, as they do not concede as much ground when the opposition forwards pile in mob handed. There are some glaring inconsistencies with our game plans, on Thursday I do think we had no idea of how to finish our sets near their line and for all I have criticised him previously, Sneyd would have managed that so much better for us to see the game out I think. We no longer possess the aerial threat of Mahe and Talanoa, so put the ball on the floor, which often produces a drop out or even an error from a scrambling defence.'"
Had Sneyd played, I don't think we would have been in a winning position our attack is so much better this year, alot less wayward passes and inside balls.
Not sure why on the last, Gale doesn't kick and Connor move out to centre, such a dangerous weapon.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Odd tackle
What Liam farrell
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Cas winger ( can't remember his name he barely played since ) from memory all the in the last 8/9 months
And all 4 was trys that was terrible
Farrell esp was just embarrassing that is probably the main reason why he's not in the England squad
If your full back can't catch Liam farrell then what's the chances of catching latrell Mitchell or addo Carr
Oh and shaul would of stopped all of them trys 100%'"
Just conjecture pure and simple.
Unfortunately Shaul hasn't been a top player for a couple of years now and in fairness whilst Connor may not have the pace that Shaul once had its the other attributes to his game that far outweigh Shauls. Yes he has been a good player for us in previous seasons but I doubt Shaul would be picked up by many teams in the top 6 and that is a fair indication of things. I think the Taulapapa tackle (if you can even call it that) has probably left its mark on Jamie as I honestly don't think he has been the same player since if I'm honest.
At the end of the day if we want to be serious and competing for silverware then keeping players on sentiment its never going to work.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Just conjecture pure and simple.
Unfortunately Shaul hasn't been a top player for a couple of years now and in fairness whilst Connor may not have the pace that Shaul once had its the other attributes to his game that far outweigh Shauls. Yes he has been a good player for us in previous seasons but I doubt Shaul would be picked up by many teams in the top 6 and that is a fair indication of things. I think the Taulapapa tackle (if you can even call it that) has probably left its mark on Jamie as I honestly don't think he has been the same player since if I'm honest.
At the end of the day if we want to be serious and competing for silverware then keeping players on sentiment its never going to work.'"
I agree I just think the modern day player needs to be able to adapt to a number of different positions and play at a good standard,we have seen Griff and swift move to fullback during a game and look comfortable,Mitch and wynne have looked good in the centre positions lately ,if it was true and shaul was working on the wing position during pre season well it obviously hasn't worked because he looked like a fish out of water against Castleford. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just don't think he has the skills to adapt to another position and wouldn't even be in my 17 anymore
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| Quote ="Chris71"Just conjecture pure and simple.
Unfortunately Shaul hasn't been a top player for a couple of years now and in fairness whilst Connor may not have the pace that Shaul once had its the other attributes to his game that far outweigh Shauls. Yes he has been a good player for us in previous seasons but I doubt Shaul would be picked up by many teams in the top 6 and that is a fair indication of things. I think the Taulapapa tackle (if you can even call it that) has probably left its mark on Jamie as I honestly don't think he has been the same player since if I'm honest.
At the end of the day if we want to be serious and competing for silverware then keeping players on sentiment its never going to work.'"
Well Taylor definitely needs to be gone end of season cause hes hardly played last 3 years so agree with that about sentiment
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Well Taylor definitely needs to be gone end of season cause hes hardly played last 3 years so agree with that about sentiment'"
Under contract, so needs a big season when he is back and start of next season to try and get a new one
The days that the likes of Shaul, Houghton and Taylor get automatic new deals should be long gone
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