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| Quote ="Kosh"You don't understand the dislike for a club who's fans despise us and who's owner has one everything in his power to make life difficult for us? You don't understand the wish for ill fortune to befall a club who's fans and owner would be delighted to see us go out of business?
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On this forum there are people, including myself, who support both clubs. I nominate your post as the dumbest, least researched and least factual to be posted in 2014. |
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."I nominate your post as the dumbest, least researched and least factual to be posted in 2014.'"
That's some claim to be making round here on 31st of Dec! |
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| Quote ="Kosh"You don't understand the dislike for a club who's fans despise us and who's owner has one everything in his power to make life difficult for us? You don't understand the wish for ill fortune to befall a club who's fans and owner would be delighted to see us go out of business?
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Never heard so much rubbish in all my life. Try living here and getting a genuine feel for what's going on before you make such stupid comments. |
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Whether we like it or not Hull City playing in the Premier League of football brings a lot of kudos to our city. I know many rugby fans who also attend their matches and visa versa. I agree with the above posters, you are talking absolute rubbish.
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."On this forum there are people, including myself, who support both clubs. I nominate your post as the dumbest, least researched and least factual to be posted in 2014.'"
Let's see the 'facts' then, if not then your post is much dumber... there may well be [isome[/i stalwart city fans that support FC, probably even fewer that come to games regularly however I've read plenty of vehemance shown by city fans towards our club & the 'egg chasers' |
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Like it or not there is a lot and I mean lot that have turned against city because of Allan. Not to fussed what happens to them as long as it doesn't effect us
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The viewpoints expressed aren't wholly mutually exclusive.
My opinion is:
Allam's frustration at lack of control over a public asset he wanted to borrow against for commercial purposes is expressed in some obvious ways (making life difficult for us) and other unfathomable ones (hacking off his own fans via the name change shambles).
Clearly if you put to one side for a moment the owner's animosity to the council, Hull FC, the press (by which I mean the proper press, not the HDM), the FA and large sections of City's fanbase, having City in the Premiership is a great thing for the, er, City. But the fact is that he's soured what should be a jubilant time in City's history with pointless and some would say spiteful barbs against those he's legally contracted too (tough titty!) but worse those who've supported City through the bad times and are now less able to enjoy the good. Try here (language warning) for views on the latest - removal of City from the matchday programme cover as an example:
www.hullcityindependent.net/?pag ... d_id=20233
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The viewpoints expressed aren't wholly mutually exclusive.
My opinion is:
Allam's frustration at lack of control over a public asset he wanted to borrow against for commercial purposes is expressed in some obvious ways (making life difficult for us) and other unfathomable ones (hacking off his own fans via the name change shambles).
Clearly if you put to one side for a moment the owner's animosity to the council, Hull FC, the press (by which I mean the proper press, not the HDM), the FA and large sections of City's fanbase, having City in the Premiership is a great thing for the, er, City. But the fact is that he's soured what should be a jubilant time in City's history with pointless and some would say spiteful barbs against those he's legally contracted too (tough titty!) but worse those who've supported City through the bad times and are now less able to enjoy the good. Try here (language warning) for views on the latest - removal of City from the matchday programme cover as an example:
www.hullcityindependent.net/?pag ... d_id=20233
To me it's not about wanting City as an entity to fail. But it's unrealistic to expect the fans of our club who are at best ambivalent about football to wish them well when the direct observable consequences of his tenure have been wholly negative for our club. | |
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| Deary me - some right precious responses. 
Someone questioned why so much 'hate' towards City. I put forward what I consider to be two reasons why you could expect strong dislike to be expressed by FC fans towards City. At no point did I suggest that all FC fans shared those views or even if I did myself.
Maybe a few folk could do with reading and comprehending before rushing to post.
Happy New Year.
Edit: Oh - and as for the attitude of City fans being restricted to the minority who post on forums, the exact same is true for the 'hate' expressed by FC fans. |
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For what it's worth, I've supported both Hull and City with equal passion all my life, so I don't get the 'hate' towards Hull City.
As a City fan, I don't always agree with how Dr Allam goes about his business and and at times he has spoiled the great work he has done in getting City back to the Premier League. Yes he takes money out of the club (most owners do one way or the other), but he has invested heavily too in players.
Even if you just rugby league, you can't argue that Hull City's presence in the PL helps raise the stature of Hull.
As a Hull FC fan, naturally I always want us to do well. However, from a City of Hull point of view I always enjoyed the early 1980's most when we had the best two RL teams in the country.
I've lived in the Midlands for over 20 years now, but still take enormous pride in coming from Hull and will never have a bad word said about it.
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Normally I wouldn't bother to comment on anything City related but after a few years of them being in EPL I'm slightly bored of bandwagon City fans mouthing off.
All of a sudden, because they're having a little success they're the most important team in the area.
Comments like "you're ruining our pitch" infuriate me. Although, when it's pointed out that City haven't won home since the rugby finished they do get slightly twitchy.
City fans also get very defensive when it's pointed out that if Hull FC hadn't let them okay at the Boulevard in 1904 they wouldn't have been allowed in to the league in 1905.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Deary me - some right precious responses.
At no point did I suggest that all FC fans shared those views or even if I did myself.'"
Had a little chuckle at this last sentence as it reminds me of a long term City supporter on a current football forum who always finishes his posts as follows.
" The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine"
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| A bit out of context......
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I don't support City, but I certainly don't hate them either.
I'd like to see them do well. As people have said, them being in the Premier League gives the city alot of exposure. Anything that helps the city in some way is alright in my book.
On the other hand, the way the Allams treat Hull FC, and generally handle themselves, is a disgrace. He won't be around forever.
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Didn't Barmby say something similar in the press before being dragged up the stairs at Allam Marine? |
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Didn't Barmby say something similar in the press before being dragged up the stairs at Allam Marine?'"
That was exactly what I thought. Assumed there must be assurances in place for Bruce to be so unequivocal about the need for signings. |
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Walton Street Car Park passes up 25% to £50.00.
Mr Allam must be laughing all the way to the bank.
=#FF0000edit: Same price City are being charged for the 2014-15 season, (£5 on the day).
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| This seems to have come out of the blue.....
[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-City-fans-bid-stake-future-KC-Stadium-8211/story-25855910-detail/story.htmlHull City fans' bid for stake in future of KC Stadium – an asset of community value[/url
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| Quote ="ccs"This seems to have come out of the blue.....
[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-City-fans-bid-stake-future-KC-Stadium-8211/story-25855910-detail/story.htmlHull City fans' bid for stake in future of KC Stadium – an asset of community value[/url
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The bid to apply for a stake in the KC may have come out of the blue, at least to non members of their group but their Trust itself has been many months in the setting up stage. I believe representatives of the, then proposed, Hull City Trust attended a meeting and a workshop at the KC Light stream stadium, along with speakers from another football and rugby club when HKR fans had formalised/were finalising their own Supporters Trust which itself has been in operation for many months. It was actually very interesting to find out how many other sporting clubs, both in the UK, and abroad actually have supporter trusts or similar. IIRC Barcelona have a fans trust consisting of tens of thousands of members who have many voting rights and similar legal responsibilities at their particular club. Regards our own sport I think Widnes were the first to set up a trust but unsure how many are currently operating with R.L. |
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| Quote ="Structured"The bid to apply for a stake in the KC may have come out of the blue, at least to non members of their group but their Trust itself has been many months in the setting up stage. I believe representatives of the, then proposed, Hull City Trust attended a meeting and a workshop at the KC Light stream stadium, along with speakers from another football and rugby club when HKR fans had formalised/were finalising their own Supporters Trust which itself has been in operation for many months. It was actually very interesting to find out how many other sporting clubs, both in the UK, and abroad actually have supporter trusts or similar. IIRC Barcelona have a fans trust consisting of tens of thousands of members who have many voting rights and similar legal responsibilities at their particular club. Regards our own sport I think Widnes were the first to set up a trust but unsure how many are currently operating with R.L.'"
Good post yes you can't just grab a few fans and call yourself a trust to do this it, might have come out of the blue but the actual setting up of the constituted body they need to do it has been going on for months. Perhaps we need a supporters trust! |
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Good post yes you can't just grab a few fans and call yourself a trust to do this it, might have come out of the blue but the actual setting up of the constituted body they need to do it has been going on for months. Perhaps we need a supporters trust!'"
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Absolutely! Would need to be constituted as a trust though, not sure whether it was or not?
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What would be the point in a trust buying the KC when Allam still has complete control of it through the SMC?
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"What would be the point in a trust buying the KC when Allam still has complete control of it through the SMC?'"
If I understand it correctly, it is not predominantly about buying the KC, but about the transparency the trust obtains. |
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| "Mr Allam also questioned whether the application had considered the interests of fans of Hull FC, the second "tenant" of the KC."
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