How long passes before temporary changes to permanent? Is 2 years temporary?

agree with that also, but what i saw of thorman before he arrived i thought he would be a good siging, since then my view has been to get rid ASAP of him..

Or................

Wayne Bennett compared to Agar

ask matt king....

Thorman has been a huge disappointment too i agree. As have several other members of the squad.

indeed, now he's doing it at the dragons, looks like another premiership in the bag for bennett

Im not having a pop because I think he was a superstar over in the NRL but I agree with pretty much everything you have said.

Matt King looked like a star over there but hasn't produced the same quality even with better players around him than Berrigan has had at FC.

Berro has shown the same levels of consistency as King imo.

your thoughts on others??

fair comment,but you cant deny there qualitys......

Agree 100%. Ive always rated Berro and still think he is a star. But for whatever reason or excuse he has been nothing more than average for us for 2 season. Im not intending to say the guy is rubbish etc cos he isnt, he just hasnt offered us what he could and should have done for whatever reason. (and TL has played better this year!!)

Im not and i havent.

R Horne - Huge disappointment, shame for him as im a fan.
Thorman - tripe, expected him to lead us around the field and bring a kicking game, done neither
Yeaman - poor 1st half of the season, better 2nd half but struggles with no service
Hally - disappointed more in Agar for not sticking with him that Hally himself
Berro - said enough
King - Over the hill, too many injuries taken their toll
Thacks - bad egg
Tickle - see above
Radford - disappointing to see him used at 13 rather than as a prop. Poor tactics by agar
Houghton - not kicked on as much as he should have done for me, more to come though.
Whiting - disappointed he hasnt nailed down 13, not his fault.
G Horne - great start to the season, poor since injury
Dowes - plodded for 2 or 3 seasons now, doesnt bring enough to us
maloney - disappointed we havent kept with him

think you speak for everyone on most of your thoughts big D...

These are the ones i'd get rid off who are out of contract :

Tony (becoming more and more injury prone plus not needed anymore)
Byrne (already been released)
Thorman (offers absolutely nothing)
G. Horne (just not good enough)
Thackray (don't need him anymore plus not good enough)
Lee (done better this season but keeping him could stop houghton progressing)
Maloney (looks to be on the way out, got enough props plus he isn't big enough for Super League)
Cordoba (been decent since he came but no space on the quota)

Agar promised a clear out after that shocking performance at KR in Set 08 and he got rid of ..................Wheeldon
Unless I have been on holiday , which I have twice , has Agar ever stated there would be a lot of players getting 'terminated contracts' ?

Did he put a time limit on that clearout? This may be the clearout he was referring to.

Anybody listening to the radio would have 100% felt he meant last off season when he shipped out Wheeldon.
I haven't heard officially if there will be a clear out and the only time he said there would be - nothing happened

I agree with all again you said and I think a good few around here do.

Agree with most of it bur Berrigan........he has been in a poor team and pack for 2 yrs but has still stood out....thought he was head and shoulders above ours on saturday ond some of Rovers as well.....People still have what Swain did in there memorys but 2 different Hookers

I agree with that, I've said earlier in this thread that I'd keep Lee as a squad player (certainly ahead of G Horne) but if it comes down to a straight choice between Lee and Houghton then it has to be Houghton.

I have made a few points on here about Berrigan and I do disagree with you. I was at the game and also viewed it on SKY and for me Berrigan wasnt your stand out player, in fact I once again thought he was pretty average.

Strange how we see the game differently isnt it....but thats what these forums are for and when you get a good thread like this not being ruined,then you can get a good debate going.

I thought he was very good but thats just my opinion and a few others judging by the M.O.M Thread........i wasnt impressed with Newton for you...every time i have seen him he has been poor but you will say different.....good isnt it.

At the game I thought you pretty much dominated us in the forwards for much of the game after the starting 10 mins. After watching it on the tele it looked a pretty even contest between the packs.

I thought Tansey/Hall or Moa should have been MOTM and Newton definitely was not at his best