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| Quote ="UllFC"this is my main issue with the whole thing. If HullFC finished bottom of SL and were relegated under a normal system, I would have no issue with paying for a pass to see us in the 2nd division at a reduced price (to reflect the lesser quality of the games, and the lower salaries of the players) but this is something different.
either you will have to pay for a 26 game pass where you don't know who you are playing for 4 of the games, or the club will do a 22 game pass and then an 8 game 'mini pass' which no-one sane would buy until they knew who we were playing!
the result is that you'd have 4 games that are 'pay on the day' plus potentially another 'playoff' home tie too. Many fans woulden't be able to afford 5 pay of the day games in the space of 2 months, and as we saw from our dreadful attendance against Catalan in the playoffs last year, and for CC games the fans don't turn up for 'pay on the day' games, particularly the ones that are on TV.'"
I believe our Club and the rest will do a one season pass they have to, the other scenarios are financial suicide and anyway doesn't anyone consider that if you finish in the top 8 you'll play those teams 3 times maybe 4 times depending on the paly-offs which could at the very least be pretty repetitive, but whatever happens no one will know who they are playing in the last 6 games until round 23! |
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| All ifs here but pre season game v kr , 2 league games v kr , magic weekend v kr , then league breaks away to top 8 and we play kr , we could then play them in play off . Possibly 6 derby games in a season I just don't think my heart could take it  And god forbid we drew them in the cup and made it 7 |
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So when it beaks away into 3 leagues of 8, do you keep your points total or does it reset in the top league?
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"So when it beaks away into 3 leagues of 8, do you keep your points total or does it reset in the top league?'"
The top eight from Super League and the bottom eight from the Championship carry forward their points. The middle eight start from scratch. |
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"The top eight from Super League and the bottom eight from the Championship carry forward their points. The middle eight start from scratch.'"
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So 4 clubs could be relegated every sl season?
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It could happen, unlikely though as SL teams will be FT playing against part time clubs. It could happen that a club is relegated two divisions in one year, if they finished below 8th in SL then in the bottom 2 in division 2 when the leagues break up.
One good thing is more games, guaranteed to get 30 league games a season. Not convinced about the whole thing though.
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They would better doing magic weekend in the 2nd stage, then they could play 3 home games, 3 away games then a game at a neutral ground, much fairer system.
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| Quote ="Dave K."They would better doing magic weekend in the 2nd stage, then they could play 3 home games, 3 away games then a game at a neutral ground, much fairer system.'"
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| Quote ="Dave K."They would better doing magic weekend in the 2nd stage, then they could play 3 home games, 3 away games then a game at a neutral ground, much fairer system.'"
I agree and it really would be magic if it was the 8 best teams playing. |
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I think the basic concept of 2 stages isn't too bad.
What I think is totally unacceptable is the idea that you play each team once, with 3or4 at home and 3or4 away.
Whatever they come up with to select the fixtures, some teams will benefit and others won't.
It can't possibly be a fair and equal.
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| Quote ="ccs"I think the basic concept of 2 stages isn't too bad.
What I think is totally unacceptable is the idea that you play each team once, with 3or4 at home and 3or4 away.
Whatever they come up with to select the fixtures, some teams will benefit and others won't.
It can't possibly be a fair and equal.'"
It's based on league position though. A reward for finishing 4th after 23 rounds, rather than 5th, is that you get an extra home tie.
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Personally more concerned with how this is going too affect youth development.
With so much at stake now are teams going to be willing to give youngsters a chance.
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| Quote ="Dave K."It could happen, unlikely though as SL teams will be [uFT playing against part time clubs[/u. It could happen that a club is relegated two divisions in one year, if they finished below 8th in SL then in the bottom 2 in division 2 when the leagues break up.
One good thing is more games, guaranteed to get 30 league games a season. Not convinced about the whole thing though.'"
The cap in the second tier will be £900k. With improved funding at the top end of that division (which I fear will unbalance it, but still), possibly renewed hope and greater incentive for 'investment', the aim will be for [isome[/i teams in that division to be full-time.
This is a more re-distributive system than we've had previously. Top tier clubs won't be better off, [udirectly[/u as a result of cutting to 12, as they would have been if we'd gone back to the pre-licensing system (the RFL will say this structure aims to bring in more revenue from sponsors and broadcasters, of course). On the other hand, relegation doesn't have to be quite such a dislocation, replacing a whole full-time squad completely with a part-time one from one season to the next. |
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"In the promotion-relegation series, the inherent advantages of those coming from the the top 12 means that 4 home games for the Championship teams seems an appropriate way to balance things out slightly.'" I don't disagree with the theory of balancing things out, but I think in practice, a team might be relegated because the fixture list was heavily stacked against them.
You only need to finish 5th to get relegated.
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| Quote ="jacko1"Personally more concerned with how this is going too affect youth development.
With so much at stake now are teams going to be willing to give youngsters a chance.'"
But what do you do, try to create a system where more games matter less?
SL is the pinnacle of club RL here. Youth development should take place first and foremost in academies, and then youngsters should earn their chance and should be picked because it gives their team the best chance of winning.
There's not a lack of opportunities, more of sufficient players properly prepared and equipped to step into SL. There'll be some strong salary cap incentives in place, that the wealthier clubs can take advantage of, also. |
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| Quote ="ccs"I don't disagree with the theory of balancing things out, but I think in practice, a team might be relegated because the fixture list was heavily stacked against them.
[uYou only need to finish 5th to get relegated.[/u
There is also the probability that SL teams destined for relegation will prepare early for stage 2, with teams in mid-table having to battle to the bitter end.'"
The policy review document suggests a one-off 'final' game between 4th and 5th, so there's an 'out'. On the other hand you could come in 4th and lose that and go down due to a bad 80 minutes. And finishing not better than 9th of 12 in the regular season and being mediocre even against weaker opposition.
There has to be an element of jeopardy in any P&R system, and at least with this with this there's a path back without necessarily losing everything. I'm not a huge fan of this system, by any means, but there does seem to be an almost exclusive focus on its drawbacks. |
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After reading a few threads on other teams board the statement below says it all for me
A look at the results of SL vs Championship Challenge Cup games would suggest that the four who finish in the bottom of SL are going to be the top four in the middle tier playoffs.
Playing to a different salary cap, different overseas player rules, it's hardly a fair fight.
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Any word on whether the Championship in 2015 will scrap the bonus points system or whether this system will be introduced for all league games?
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Apparently the vote was 7 in favour of the new structure with 6 against, with Catalan abstaining.Against were:
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Quote ="Legends and Icons"Apparently the vote was 7 in favour of the new structure with 6 against, with Catalan abstaining.Against were:
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Not according to the mail today.
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Doesnt say an overall majority, just says the majority of sl clubs voted for it
7 is a bigger majority than 6 lol
Could be an expensive summer for some, another trip to catalan, mini season ticket/pass, possibility of cc cup semi final and final games
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Doesnt say an overall majority, just says the majority of sl clubs voted for it
7 is a bigger majority than 6 lol
Could be an expensive summer for some, another trip to catalan, mini season ticket/pass, possibility of cc cup semi final and final games
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If you have a democratic process that you take part in then you have to accept the result unless you choose to destabilise , in this case , the whole competition. None of the rebels can afford to do that , they have to try and make it work if only for financial self preservation reasons. The "rebels" can't break away and if they moan about the process of the voting etc they simply attract all of the wrong publicity for the game. AP being the pragmatist that he is will try to make it work. I think that the advent of a decent sponsorship deal and perhaps an improved TV deal may have also had an effect. If as it seems these deals are near completion it would be suicide to present anything other than a united front on the new structure. The success of the World Cup and these potential deals may just have headed off a "last stand" argument between the RFL and the rebels. For now.
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If you have a democratic process that you take part in then you have to accept the result unless you choose to destabilise , in this case , the whole competition. None of the rebels can afford to do that , they have to try and make it work if only for financial self preservation reasons. The "rebels" can't break away and if they moan about the process of the voting etc they simply attract all of the wrong publicity for the game. AP being the pragmatist that he is will try to make it work. I think that the advent of a decent sponsorship deal and perhaps an improved TV deal may have also had an effect. If as it seems these deals are near completion it would be suicide to present anything other than a united front on the new structure. The success of the World Cup and these potential deals may just have headed off a "last stand" argument between the RFL and the rebels. For now.
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