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| Ganson/TJ made a bad mistake with the forward pass, but the only people to blame are the team for letting a 14 point lead slip. For a team that has been very good defensively (barring Wigan) we should not be letting games slip away like that. Hopefully the team will learn from this and we can kick on with a win against Saints this week.
As for the Martin injury, firstly it was not a head injury and secondly it was not interfering with play so the decision to play on was the correct decision as far as i am concerned. If we start stopping the play every time a player goes down, we will soon be into the realms of football and players will feign injury to get defences set again.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Ganson/TJ made a bad mistake with the forward pass, but the only people to blame are the team for letting a 14 point lead slip. For a team that has been very good defensively (barring Wigan) we should not be letting games slip away like that. Hopefully the team will learn from this and we can kick on with a win against Saints this week.
As for the Martin injury, firstly it was not a head injury and secondly it was not interfering with play so the decision to play on was the correct decision as far as i am concerned. If we start stopping the play every time a player goes down, we will soon be into the realms of football and players will feign injury to get defences set again.'"
I still don't understand this argument, Latus scored on Martin's wing so his injury directly interfered with play. And what if Briscoe got an intercept and ran into Martin and his doctors? Ridiculous decision to play on.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I still don't understand this argument, Latus scored on Martin's wing so his injury directly interfered with play. And what if Briscoe got an intercept and ran into Martin and his doctors? Ridiculous decision to play on.'"
Pretty sure if Briscoe made an intercept he would see where the injured player/doctors were and would avoid them. It did not interfere with play, yes it hampered us with a player short but why should the opposition lose momentum because a player is injured?? It would like i said leave it wide open for teams to exploit and anybody who thinks teams would not is kidding themselves.
Would people be saying the same thing if Welham was injured and we went on to score??
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I still don't understand this argument, Latus scored on Martin's wing so his injury directly interfered with play. And what if Briscoe got an intercept and ran into Martin and his doctors? [uRidiculous decision to play on[/u.'"
It really wasn't. All your argument is based on hindsight, whereas at the time, it was an injury to a player in back play, something that happens in almost every game. The severity of the injury could not have been known at the time, nor could the potential consequences.
Reverting to stopping the game under these circumstances would change RL completely and we would all get home 10 mins later every week.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Pretty sure if Briscoe made an intercept he would see where the injured player/doctors were and would avoid them. It did not interfere with play, yes it hampered us with a player short but why should the opposition lose momentum because a player is injured?? It would like i said leave it wide open for teams to exploit and anybody who thinks teams would not is kidding themselves.
Would people be saying the same thing if Welham was injured and we went on to score??'"
So Briscoe has to avoid doctors, and so do the players chasing him? Load of rubbish. It was an unfair advantage and pure BS.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Ganson/TJ made a bad mistake with the forward pass, but the only people to blame are the team for letting a 14 point lead slip. For a team that has been very good defensively (barring Wigan) we should not be letting games slip away like that. Hopefully the team will learn from this and we can kick on with a win against Saints this week.
As for the Martin injury, firstly it was not a head injury and secondly it was not interfering with play so the decision to play on was the correct decision as far as i am concerned. If we start stopping the play every time a player goes down, we will soon be into the realms of football and players will feign injury to get defences set again.'"
Head injury has knack all to do with it, seems your already in the realms of football. It was a serious injury that required multiple medical staff to enter the field of play including a stretcher. In fact they decided not use the stretcher in the end and just carry him off between 2 of them presumably because "look at me" decided not to stop the game to give them the chance to get set up, this could have made the injury worse if they had fallen whilst carrying him. The really frustrating thing is if it happens in his next game he is just as likely to decide to stop play on that occasion as he has done in the past.
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| Quote ="hullbg"As for the Martin injury, firstly it was not a head injury and secondly it was not interfering with play so the decision to play on was the correct decision as far as i am concerned. If we start stopping the play every time a player goes down, we will soon be into the realms of football and players will feign injury to get defences set again.'"
Play is always stopped when a stretcher is brought on to the field thankfully. Except on this occasion of course.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Play is always stopped when a stretcher is brought on to the field thankfully. Except on this occasion of course.'"
Plenty of times games have carried on only for the player to be stretchered off later. And it will happen again because refs only have a short amount of time to make a decision in those situations. Only a couple of weeks ago against Leeds, some on here were moaning that the ref stopped the game when a Leeds player went down with what at first looked like a head injury but turned out to be something else.
We cannot have it both ways.
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| Operational rules state that Play should be stopped when a doctor is required to enter the field. This is to protect the player and also the doctor. If the doctor is flattened by a prop and is injured, the game would be abandoned as a game cannot take place without a doctor present.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Plenty of times games have carried on only for the player to be stretchered off later. And it will happen again because refs only have a short amount of time to make a decision in those situations. Only a couple of weeks ago against Leeds, some on here were moaning that the ref stopped the game when a Leeds player went down with what at first looked like a head injury but turned out to be something else.
We cannot have it both ways.'"
I don't want it both ways (way hay !)
I want the team of officials (both on and off the field) to see that a stretcher is being brought on the field and to stop the game on the basis that there may well be a seriously injured player to be dealt with. They are all linked up with comms so why would that be hard to do ? I'll pose the question again to you - how many times do you see a player stretchered off the field whilst play is ongoing ? Pretty rare - if ever I would say. The officials are normally (rightly) over cautious.
FWIW I suspect the officials on Saturday would have preferred to have stopped the game with hindsight not because a try was scored (which isn't really relevant) but because a player was potentially requiring a stretcher to leave the field. I don't believe that between them they saw that a stretcher was on which is why it wasn't stopped. That is why I think they were incompetent in this case as they should have been aware of it. There were about 3 or 4 meds/physios on I've no idea if any were a doctor (probably not) but normally I believe the game would have been stopped in that situation.
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| Quote ="SirStan"It really wasn't. All your argument is based on hindsight, whereas at the time, it was an injury to a player in back play, something that happens in almost every game. The severity of the injury could not have been known at the time, nor could the potential consequences.
Reverting to stopping the game under these circumstances would change RL completely and we would all get home 10 mins later every week.'"
The severity of the injury was very clear as soon as he went down, the physio came on straight away and signalled that he could not continue. More doctors and physios came on, then finally a spinal board, with play going on for t least another 2-3 tackles. Ample time to stop the game.
As I say, ridiculous. This allowed Wovers to be within 8 points with the kick. Then the forward pass try and kick made it a 2 point game. Cheers, Ganson.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"The severity of the injury was very clear as soon as he went down, the physio came on straight away and signalled that he could not continue. More doctors and physios came on, then finally a spinal board, with play going on for t least another 2-3 tackles. Ample time to stop the game.
As I say, ridiculous. This allowed Wovers to be within 8 points with the kick. Then the forward pass try and kick made it a 2 point game. Cheers, Ganson.'"
When did Ganson miss tackles, take the wrong option and kick straight down the oppositions throat repeatedly, I am sure it was FC players that did all of those things.
It's worth losing to read muddynuts saying it's the most important game he's ever won!
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| Did you cry this much when you got your beautiful tattoo?
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| Quote ="Standee"When did Ganson miss tackles, take the wrong option and kick straight down the oppositions throat repeatedly, I am sure it was FC players that did all of those things.
It's worth losing to read muddynuts saying it's the most important game he's ever won!'"
I can see you're still not understanding the thread topic. It's not the point that we missed tackles, we had the game won and if it wasn't or Ganson we would have won it. I have said that we should have done better defensively at the end, but we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Did you cry this much when you got your beautiful tattoo?'"
Another who doesn't understand the thread topic.
Was the Dobson try a knock on, yes or no? And how many did you win by?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I can see you're still not understanding the thread topic. It's not the point that we missed tackles, we had the game won and if it wasn't or Ganson we would have won it. I have said that we should have done better defensively at the end, but we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.'"
sorry, you're bleating, the game was there for FC to win, we didn't. Ganson was bad, Horne was worse!
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| The pass was forward, whether accidental or deliberate and had the game been the other way around, I would feel exactly as you do.
The decision to carry on when Martin went down injured or the stupid drop out that we had to give are even more odd decisions.
However, we will of course take this result. Gonna be a very interesting third derby.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Another who doesn't understand the thread topic.
Was the Dobson try a knock on, yes or no? And how many did you win by?'"
No, although I do realise you mean forward pass, which it was. Marginally.
We won by 2. 14 if we discount the tries resulting from Ganson's ridiculously harsh decision to sin bin Dobson and the VR choosing to ignore Briscoe's shoving McDonnell in the back. And the bounce for Turner's try was proper spawny. Or maybe witchcraft. Either way, setting aside all bias, without the malign influence of the Illuminati, we'd have won 78-0.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"No, although I do realise you mean forward pass, which it was. Marginally.
We won by 2. 14 if we discount the tries resulting from Ganson's ridiculously harsh decision to sin bin Dobson and the VR choosing to ignore Briscoe's shoving McDonnell in the back. And the bounce for Turner's try was proper spawny. Or maybe witchcraft. Either way, setting aside all bias, without the malign influence of the Illuminati, we'd have won 78-0.'"
You seriously think Dobson was hard done by? I understand blinkered support of your own club, but the guy is a moron.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I can see you're still not understanding the thread topic. It's not the point that we missed tackles, we had the game won and if it wasn't or Ganson we would have won it. I have said that we should have done better defensively at the end, but we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.'"
You're quite correct Tommy. We shouldn't have let the last try in regardless but the other two tries came from poor refereeing decisions. Martin was down and played should have been stopped and the Dobson try was a mile forward. We were not totally to blame but as I said we should have defended that last set better.
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| Play would have been stopped if they were anywhere near martin,but seeing as play was at the other end of the pitch,why stop it.? The relevant people came on the pitch to assist martin anyway and if rovers didnt score nothing would be said.!
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| Quote ="alexwest"Play would have been stopped if they were anywhere near martin,but seeing as play was at the other end of the pitch,why stop it.? The relevant people came on the pitch to assist martin anyway and if rovers didnt score nothing would be said.!'"
Were the ball was in relation to Martin isn't an issue once a Doctor goes onto the pitch the game should automatically be stopped and Ganson and his linesmen knew Hull Fc's medical team were on the pitch long before the try was scored.
As for the forward pass, if it had been marginal fair enough but the distance that was forward is a joke.
And for the rovers supporters saying that Dobson shouldn't have been sin binned he commited two fouls firstly a late flop and then holding the player down to enable rovers players to get back so basically a professional foul which is an automatic sin binning
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"[uThe severity of the injury was very clear as soon as he went down[/u, the physio came on straight away and signalled that he could not continue. More doctors and physios came on, then finally a spinal board, with play going on for t least another 2-3 tackles. Ample time to stop the game.
As I say, ridiculous. This allowed Wovers to be within 8 points with the kick. Then the forward pass try and kick made it a 2 point game. Cheers, Ganson.'"
No it wasn't. He went down untouched, I can't say even noticed it whilst at the game, but from watching the tv replay, it could have been a turned ankle, which is absolutely no reason to stop the game. By the time they called for a stretcher Latus was going over in the corner. Ganson got this spot on.
The forward pass I will give you, but the TJ (who was it by the way? you could make a massive banner for him next time you get him) is more to blame. You need to find closure on this one and move on sunshine.
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| the next time ganson refs the dobbins,they will lose.he`s already given them an easy 2points,so he has to cancel it out.
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| Quote ="edinburgh yorkie"the next time ganson refs the dobbins,they will lose.he`s already given them an easy 2points,so he has to cancel it out.'"
I'm really looking forward to Ganson doing it to rovers.
Firstly for the reaction from there fans but secondly and more importantly the way in which sandy will whing about it.
To say they deserved the win is a joke a bit like him..
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