The excuses Lee Radford gave after the defeat last night were as disappointing as the performance. For example, the short turn around excuse. The players are full time athletes who are only four games into a season and have recently had a week's rest. We also had many players who haven't played in all 3 of the previous games. On top of that four days is enough time to adequately repair the body to go again. A more reasonable explanation is that our conditioning is not as it should be or our recovery processes are sub standard. Perhaps even the training schedule is too harsh and is taking too much out of the players when we have short turn a rounds? The way Radford spoke was as if he felt that we are incapable of winning games when we have a short turn around. That negative attitude will subconsciously transfer to the players and staff and for me was disheartening to hear.

We also look as mentally fragile as any Hull FC side in the recent past. What are the psychologists actually working on with these players? They couldn't be more week in this domain if they tried! You could tell just by looking at the body language after the first try Leeds scored that they had thrown the towel in at that exact moment.

The other issue we have is recruitment. We have so many unwanted players in the squad. There is a reason why the other clubs didn't want them! We also have some other players who are just bang average in their positions at this level.

I hope that one day the inconsistency is ironed out to a reasonable level but with Lee in charge I just can't see it. What happened to the attacking style of Rugby they promised for 2015?

You know I'm right. Don't bury your head in the sand.

The short turnaround excuse was a poor one as prior to Salford we'd had 2 weeks off and, it seems, plenty of time off from training if I read Radford correctly last week. For me the most disappointing result so far was easily Salford, who we would have beaten if we had shown 80% of the intensity shown in the first two games regardless of what Chase was or wasn't doing. Last night's debacle in the second half was made worse by the fact we'd dominated them in the first half. However with a bench of Abdull, Rankin, Tugut and Feka (possibly the weakest bench we've ever fielded in SL?) we were always going to struggle over 80 mins as effectively we only played with 3 props, one of which might be classed as a 'luxury' player. Regardless of that some individuals should be personally embarrassed with their second half display particularly some of the one on one defensive efforts that took place.

How am I burying my head in the sand.

Refusing to address my statement and making a comment about me getting my money out. There does seem a general unwillingness to throw blame at AP's door. For me, he's vaivety in some ways, and arrogance in other ways, has lead us to where we are.

I know you're full of it with comments like that.
Hull had no tangible assets or a place to call they're own when Pearson came in.
All he's try to do is establish a permanent base for us one to call our own.
Recruitment wise he's relied on others who have led him down the garden path.
He is passionate about hull and wanting us to succeed after speaking with him.
For me now though he's biggest fault is stubbornly believing in Radford.
Radford would not get a coaching gig SL or championship currently and any other owner would have rung the changes I believe.
Pearson however has backed himself into a corner and this saving face by backing Radford will ultimately backfire.

Or as someone has said you buy the club and do a better job.

IMO the next two games and how we perform make more of an impact than the two following games.
Firstly because it is exactly how we react from the performances of last night and the week before in these two games that will have a huge bearing as to how we go on the two games and beyond as we'll have almost played 1/3 of the season.
As I said the difference between how we perform over the next two games could well decide how our season pans out, lose badly in both and the chances of winning the folowing two games that you reckon have more bearing are even less. Sneak a win, a draw, just something for the players to draw upon and the following two games whilst not easy to get a result from a mental POV are a little easier.
Losing confidence and the drain of losing games week in week out (which would be apt if we've lost 5 weeks running) and the added pressure each week from losing has a massive bearing on what happens next.
That's why the next two games are more important for me.

Yeh, I was wondering what to do with that spare £5m I have in the wardrobe, cheers Bombed Out.

To address some of your points:
- We have a 'training complex' knocked up with some MDF and plaster board & the situation with the KC has never been this bad, fuelled partly by his relationship with the Allams.
- His reliance on others is his own fault for being naive and ignorant, the buck stops with him.
- Passionate & wanting us to win, completely agree, that's not in question.
- Stubbornly believing in Radford. Time will tell. getting rid of a coach after 18 months isn't good, I'd point to the appointment originally as being his mistake.

Bottom line is we're a laughing stock, most of which is due to his poor decisions.

This is where I think you're wrong. That's how it works for normal sides, but over the last few years we have consistently shown that that is exactly what we do not do. We are consistently inconsistent, and putting in performances in the next 2 games make it no more or less likely that we'll carry that on. In fact, recent history has multiple examples of the opposite, where we do well for a couple of games against good sides then go back to being plain awful against those around us in the table. Last night's second half was quite surprising for that, the first half was much more our style against a top 4 side. For about 7 or 8 years now we've lumbered from performances to build upon to coaches looking for a reaction to an unacceptable debacle almost from week to week. In terms of results and importance, the next 2 games are the same as all the others, but as indicators as to whether we've finally put our split-personality to bed they are pretty irrelevant. That's what I mean by how telling they are about our long-term progress.

It was six years ago yesterday since Tony Smith was appointed at Warrington. Prior to that we were a club that liked to believe we could win things and probably had a set of players who were capable of winning things. In those six years we've won three challenge cups, a league leaders shield and been to two Grand Finals. Without Smith I doubt we'd have achieved any of the above. Appointing the correct coach is the key. Radford is I suspect our Paul Cullen.

I know that Brian Smith was available to Salford before Noble was appointed but Koucash decided he was too expensive. On a long list to choose from that still remains Koucash's biggest recruitment mistake at Salford.

Perhaps Pearson should be on the phone to Brian Smith.

I dont think Hull FC employ one..

In our dressing room, prior to a game, we dont see any psychological evidence.

For example,Wigan....

They have photos of their players pinned on each hook in the dressing room,with instructions,
also large banners with motivational phrases..

Hull KR do exactly the same. when we play them in the Derby..

It wasn't a short turnaround. So they can stop using that as an excuse. Same time as Hudds to Wire.

Are we looking at the latest version of player power? My brother works with a current FC player who wasnt in the side yesterday and when asked what he thought the result would be was told we would get battered. Was that said tongue in cheek or did he know something?

There was a thread on here preseason that discussed the current abundance of promoted no. 2s in SL head coaching positions when talking about our choice of Radford. You were pointed out as the exception, but I completely agree with you and said at the time that the key thing to point out is that yours was the most similar situation to that which we've now been in for a few years, which was one of underachievement requiring rebuilding. Most of the promoted no. 2s (particularly the successful ones) have inherited strong situations and been asked to continue the work already done, rather than revolutionise a club. You bit the bullet and got an experienced coach with a strong SL track record to do it, we've gambled on following the latest trend without having the groundwork done for him. It was always a massive ask.

He gets the next 4 games for me.

Avoid a hammering at Wigan (Which is normal)

Then win 2 out 3 from the following games.

Although Leeds did get an extra 2 days, which might have made the difference between our players being available to play, or not, as it happens.

Or maybe Leeds wouldn't have been able to play the same starting line-up for the 4th game on the trot.

Faire enough, but they looked out of it in the first half and we didn't. After a half time sit down (where they each drank a gallon of red bull and we each drank a gallon of Horlicks) the game reversed. An extra two days rest for one team doesn't make the other team play pat a cake in the tackle either.

This in a nutshell... sums up all the problems at Hull FC...

Wigan: Wanted Bellamy, but he said "Maguire's ready, been 6 years his Assistant" , they chose Bellyache's judgement.Wigan board gave Madge him the coaching structure he requested.. they saw massive improvements in the first few months..Wane continued with the same structure.
Huddersfield:Nathan Brown same as Wigan.. Laid the foundations.. Anderson continued with the same structure.

St Helens;Same as Huddersfield.

IF Radford left, I can see Last or Horne replacing him...

I felt sorry for Radford during the second half, as I genuinely said that there is not any way he went into the team talk at half time in a blase manner and said "we have it won guys you can relax".
Then listening to him post match, it made me mad with the excuses. For a pro team a 5 day turnaround is enough. I could accept losing, but to lose 43-0 in 40 minutes is a complete and utter disgrace. Our much vaunted youth team should be able to step up, if only to a level to avoid such catastrophic capitulation. My mate last night, and a club supporter of many many years with a pass, and also very much in the "stop slagging and get supporting" clan, said that he has just had enough. Completely just sick of the same year after year and if he did not have a pass would simply just watch on FC Live. I cannot say I disagree and am sure many others are feeling the same way. With Allam attempting to destroy us and a general malaise setting in, I am pretty worried.
Not trying to give a knee jerk reaction over this leeds defeat, but I fear already we know what to expect this season. And it will be with less fans, less atmosphere and less emotion.

You can't blame the short turnaround, it's an awful excuse....
We had 2 weeks to prepare for Salford and where did that get us??

After the dust has settled,and after watching a replay this morning,the 2nd half was acgtually worse than i originaly thought.With the posession we had in the 1st half,a half decent side would have scored more than 12pts.The 2nd half which was roles reversed leeds scored 43pts,the difference is their coach had seen what was required to change the game,can anyone honestly say radford could have come up with a game changer ?
In the post match interview he mumbled his way through and basically had a job completing a sentence.Adam we all know he was a cheap option and you have shown your loyalty to him,but do you not realise its us fans who have to pay to suffer dross like salford and last night.
Radford said last season if he couldnt do the job he would walk well it is pretty obvious to most of us he isnt up to the job and the quicker he walks the better,the only problem is will adam be willing to dig deep to get a decent coach,I fear not !

You have a very short and/or selective memory.

It's pretty clear from his interview last night, where he failed to place any responsibility whatsoever on either himself or the players, that he won't walk. And Pearson has said that he won't be sacked. Which leaves us up the proverbial creek IMO.

Almost the opposite of Alex Ferguson who I never remember hearing praise the opposition after a defeat. It would seem that everything last night was a result of Leeds' play.