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| Quote ="Robbo4"Just a thought here. I was told after immediately after the Wembley game that Gentle was going and Radford was taking over. If that actually happens can we be justified in thinking that Radford may have been undermining Gentle in order to get his job? I heard a rumour that after Yeamo was dropped at Cas a few senior players got together and told AP they didnt want to play for Gentle. I usually dismiss that kind of stuff as bollox but recent goings on have me wondering.'"
I was told radford had been asked to take charge before the cc semi , not sure if this was when yeaman got dropped . But thought it was odd as gentle had got us there . Radders refused , but maybe they was something in that report in the star about gentle going even then . Who knows what's going on , just posting what I've heard and been told .
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Just a thought here. I was told after immediately after the Wembley game that Gentle was going and Radford was taking over. If that actually happens can we be justified in thinking that Radford may have been undermining Gentle in order to get his job? I heard a rumour that after Yeamo was dropped at Cas a few senior players got together and told AP they didnt want to play for Gentle. I usually dismiss that kind of stuff as bollox but recent goings on have me wondering.'"
IF that's true, then the players need to look at themselves and what their motivations are as a pro RL player. Yeaman has been poor all season and deserved to be dropped. Any player who is out of form should be at risk of losing their place.
I personally think whatever incident happened, it must have been after the Leeds home game, we never looked the same after that, except for the determined performances in the CC Quarter & Semi finals.
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| What after years of the easy life under agar, some of the players didnt like having to train hard for the wages! I hate hearing a coach as "lost the dressing room" disgusting! Gentle might not be the man for the job, but most of the players ain't up to the job of pulling the black and white shirt on either, happy the seasons over. Now lets go get Kearney to be our coach
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Just a thought here. I was told after immediately after the Wembley game that Gentle was going and Radford was taking over. If that actually happens can we be justified in thinking that Radford may have been undermining Gentle in order to get his job? I heard a rumour that after Yeamo was dropped at Cas a few senior players got together and told AP they didnt want to play for Gentle. I usually dismiss that kind of stuff as bollox but recent goings on have me wondering.'"
If true this suggests that the likes of Yeaman will be undroppable under Radford. Player power would be even worse than it is now. Radford will pick his mates and won't be able to make tough decisions.
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| Radford would be a huge ,huge gamble. Now I'm not saying you would be favourites but don't forget there's relegation at the end of next season.
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| Radford would be a huge ,huge gamble. Now I'm not saying you would be favourites but don't forget there's relegation at the end of next season.
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| Quote ="meatpaste"Radford would be a huge ,huge gamble. Now I'm not saying you would be favourites but don't forget there's relegation at the end of next season.'"
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| Quote ="hull2524"am going against the grain, would have got rid of the deadwood, kept gentle for one more year, what has gone on behind closed doors none of us know although some pretend to, maybe ap knows more than we do, whatever i will be there next year'"
If its "player power", then said players want a kick up the ass. They should want to do their best for the club, no matter what they think of the coach.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"If true this suggests that the likes of Yeaman will be undroppable under Radford. Player power would be even worse than it is now. Radford will pick his mates and won't be able to make tough decisions.'"
If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an unjust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.
Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.
If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an injust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.
Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.
If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.'"
Great post.
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| Quote ="Ivanhoe" I don't know, but listening to Peter Gentle recently there seemed to have been a change in him.'" I noticed that as well - he sounded very uneasy and had little conviction in what he was saying.
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| Quote ="Ivanhoe"I also have been thinking along similar lines. Has Peter Gentle's authority been undermind by some within the club. Have all @ the club been 'pulling together' or have there been fractions & friction within the club & on Thursday the 'bubble finally burst'? I don't know, but listening to Peter Gentle recently there seemed to have been a change in him.'"
Theres been a big change in him,he's had that smug smile surgically removed.
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| We never did find out about the Cancer Bomber talked of
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Don't talk poop.'"
I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.
that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.
that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.'"
We've just finished 6th and got to a cup final, we won't be getting relegated next season unless our first team coach crashes.
I know some fans get a bit carried away but talk of relegation is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.
that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.'"
Just wait till Salford overtake us, Kosh will be spouting of a Koukash love in
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| Does anyone seriously expect us to finish higher next season than this? With a weaker squad and an inexperienced coach I can see us struggling.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Just a thought here. I was told after immediately after the Wembley game that Gentle was going and Radford was taking over. If that actually happens can we be justified in thinking that Radford may have been undermining Gentle in order to get his job? I heard a rumour that after Yeamo was dropped at Cas a few senior players got together and told AP they didnt want to play for Gentle. I usually dismiss that kind of stuff as bollox but recent goings on have me wondering.'"
Heard something similar myself.
Follows on from Yeaman not passing the ball versus Leeds and the reaction to that.
If true then I have even less respect for the players than I did before.
Seems to be a familiar pattern at our club.
Time AP showed them who's boss.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an unjust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.
Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.
If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.'"
Very good post.
Wasnt Brough dropped to play Faumauina - at Hetheringtons request
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| Quote ="deslawson"Theres been a big change in him,he's had that smug smile surgically removed.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.
that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.'"
Despite the current doom and gloom unless we implode massively I can't see this happening. Castleford, if they improve at all, will surely struggle without Chase and Seymour is a gamble. Salford might take a year or two to develop. Wakefield you would expect to go backwards with losing most of their best players and lack of funds to buy new. Widnes could push on a bit, but are losing Hock.
Plus you forget that Rovers are losing quality players and their replacements may not be any improvement at all. (Despite the "We'll improve without Dobson because we'll be unpredictable" theory.) And then Catalans who finished below us and because they're poor travellers will always lose points.
Not saying we won't be in the 6th to 8th mix but we are in a better position than some.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an unjust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.
Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.
If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.'"
Excellent post.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Don't talk poop.'"
Sheldon why is that poop?
In 2008 you got to the cup final and finished 11th out of 12 and then the following season 12th out of 14.Very close to relegation had it existed and arguably with a better squad and coach.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Just wait till Salford overtake us, Kosh will be spouting of a Koukash love in'"
You really have fallen for the hype hook, line, and sinker.
If you're so enamoured of Salford and the good Doctor I suggest getting yourself a season pass and changing allegiance.
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| Quote ="davey37"Heard something similar myself.
Follows on from Yeaman not passing the ball versus Leeds and the reaction to that.
If true then I have even less respect for the players than I did before.
Seems to be a familiar pattern at our club.
Time AP showed them who's boss.'"
Well if this story is true, and Gentle loses his job to be replaced by their mate Radford, then AP will have shown them pretty categorically that THEY are the bosses.
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