Very amusing how people are resorting to sinking to 'Expro' depths and saying I support Rovers just because I acknowledge they are top dogs in our city and have been for some time. I acknowledge it because its ridiculous that its been allowed to happen and I want something done to change it, seems others simply want to stick their heads in the sand.

I realise some think it's sacrilegious and disloyal to accept the current status of our club but I feel the Rovers supporting claims vindicate what I'm saying, even the usually well reasoned Mrs B has resorted to it.

I think it's more the biased and blinkered views you're coming out with which people are picking up on, tbh.

You're saying that Rovers are far superior, more successful, have better aussies, better young english players, etc.....

When in fact they aren't, aren't, don't and don't.

We are saying that FC are better at some things (finances, youth system), and KR others (higher league position (2 years ago)).
The fact is, both clubs are improving and trying to correct errors of previous years. Neither club at the moment can be called 'successful' but, IMO, FC have a greater chance of winning something (still a slim chance).

Biased and blinkered?

Can you quote me on where I said Rovers have better young English players?
Can you quote me where I said Rovers have better Aussies?

Thought not.

Rovers are top dogs in the city because they have a superior derby record since their return to SL and gone further in the competition than us for 3 years running.

Rovers have a better coach than us based on what they have both achieved over the same time frame. I really don't think you'll find a fan of any other club who would think that Agar was better than Morgan.. Infact, I remember reading this forum the day Agar got his new contract and fans of other clubs were coming on here to pass on their sympathies and disbelief.

It's really not me who's biased and blinkered.

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Look, come on here and slate Agar if you must, that's fair enough and a well-ploughed furrow. It gives you away that the vast majority of your 81 points to date are praising Rovers and slating Rule/Agar/season pass sales/value for money we get from players/Shaun Berrigan. Here is the evidence. You give yourself away, sir

:
Praising Rovers (including Fox, S Briscoe, Rovers have more ambition, were unlucky to lose the regular round derbies) 11
Criticising Agar 9
Criticising Rule/the board 7
Picking a fight with FC Wembley 08 6
Criticising the squad 5
Negative spin on season pass sales 5
Criticising youth development 3
Belittling Shaun Berrigan 3
Bigging up Willie Mason 2
Protesting you're not a Rovers fan 3
Belittling Reece Lyne 1
Belittling Danny Houghton 1
Bringing up Michael Crocker 1

You've referred to Rovers at least 3 times as "top dogs" now in this thread about Warrington's salary cap. I know you love them, but that level of self-indulgence is embarrassing.

I think that's the RLFans equivalent to having this;

Fascinating attempt at presenting your interpretations as fact, nice try... I'm just here for a debate though and by doing stuff like that you're showing you can't win it.

I almost forgot that this thread was about Warrington signing Joel Monaghan

who gives a flying f-ck about warrington or any other club,thought this was a fc forum

Not at all. You wanted some statistical analysis. How else would you "interpret" the following (can't be @rsed posting all 83 gems):

"Rovers are top dogs in the city because they have a superior derby record since their return to SL and gone further in the competition than us for 3 years running."
"Rovers have a better coach than us based on what they have both achieved over the same time frame."
"I acknowledge they are top dogs in our city and have been for some time."
"I don't think it's fair to say that just because Fox was so outstanding in 2009 that he made the dream team, the fact he didn't make it in 2010 means he's 'gone backwards"
"I seem to remember Mason having one of his best seasons ever last year.. If he doesn't make it over then that's all the better for us, but we're hardly in a position to crow about it after crocker?"
"I said he (Mason) was a bigger capture, i.e. a bigger name, which he undoubtebly is... sure maybe he'll flop in SL next year but it's not likely."

Sorry, bud, but you were sort of doing OK on the Agar front, some credibility there. To let it get run away with you and slate the board, the youth development system, season pass sales, Hougton, Lyne, Berrigan, and refer multiple times to Rovers as "top dogs" was amusing. I think it's the love-in for Fox and the ridiculous statement that in the hypothetical scenario of Mason not coming it the pi$$-taking would be tempered by Crocker not getting here that just blows it apart, I'm afraid. You are General Zod, who also much used the phrase "top dogs", incidentally, and I claim my £5.

Does every thread on here turn into a FC-KR sausage fest c-ck measuring contest ?

Outsider looking in time again......I'm not sure where you get the idea that Morgan is a better coach than Agar, or that supporters of other clubs hold that view??....Personally, as I stated before, I believe that Agar is not good enough for a club of your stature and ambition.....As for Morgan, he's done a good job with Rovers, fetching them up from small club status to a well run, competitive Super League side, but similar to Hull with Agar, you get the impression that if Rovers are determined to make the big step to becoming a trophy winning side, then they need to bring in a top quality coach.

But as for Morgan being a significant better to Agar?....NO!!

Don't forget this little gold nugget Mrs B (regarding Reece Lyne);



It seems Agar isn't the only one on his [size=85bulls-[/size'hitlist'.

'oooh ooh me too me too', give it up mate you're no good at this forum debate thing, especially with your habit of quoting me to the detriment of the point your trying to make



I'l reply to the one with a brain now...

Lets get one thing clear: I am not your mate, and to think that, suggests that you yourself don't have much between the ears....
You carry on with you're 'debate' that you are doing soooo well with and i'll carry on in the adult conversations with my fellow fans. Not jumped up little pr1cks like you!!

I think we should leave Zod to it now. Let's embrace the spirit of the festive season - there's only so much you can do with South Pole Elves before leaving them to wallow in their red and whiteness. "The best way to spread FC cheer is singing loud for all to hear. "

Confused by the point of this post, I said there aren't any fans of other clubs who rate Agar as better than Morgan... based on that your comments support what I said.

I agree, i'm not going to respond to him anymore anyway. I've said my peice and that's it. I know quite a few Rovers fans and a few are also relatives, but he's an embarrassment to his club and rugby league in general!!

I also don't get all the Reece Lynne stuff, I didn't belittle him I simply said we've seen little from him yet.. all we've had is hype and Tommy Lee got plenty of that.

Resorting to name-calling now

it's a relief you won't be responding to my posts anymore though, if this was a boxing match you'd have been knocked out ages ago.

Your problem is you use the wrong examples for your comparisons.....You chose Rovers' recent improvement has some sort of example for FC's under acheivement, when you should actually be comparing Wigan' & Wire's improvement.....Now you attempt to put down Agar by comparing him with the similarly average Justin Morgan.

My point is that while Agar is an average coach, Morgan isn't any better......If bettering Hull KR is the height of your ambitions (and your posts seem to point to this), then as a club you have a problem.....You have both the squad and following to be a lot, lot better.

Agree with what your saying there, I'm actually not one of the FC fans who see the be all and end all as beating Rovers... I'd happily lose to them twice a season if we were regularly in the shake-up for trophies at the end. I use Rovers to illustrate the point because while FC are one of the 3 or 4 clubs in the competition that has the fan-base and infrastructure in place to be the best team in the country.. we can't even manage to be the best team in our city.

So many pages of who is the better prospect to sign for, Hull or Rovers. Pointless and small-time TBH. I think there are a few people that need to realise that for any NRL hot properties coming over, both clubs are probably 5 or 6 names down the pecking order now unless they offer extra money.

If I was a top class RL player coming out of contract and put my Hull loyalty and the home town factor to one side, I wouldn't sign for either.

Finally had some time to check this, and you're right. The relevant parts of the rules are 6.1.2 to 6.1.4 as below...


So any payment made to Hicks will not count on the cap if paid after 1st December 2010 - which is what I guess has happened.

So could this have been the case for Raynor and King who left FC on 1st Dec and around Christmas 2009 respectively but never played for FC in 2010?