He really was shocking, but at the same time I feel a bit sorry for the kid. His confidence is absolutely shot and thowing him in every week and expecting him to be our play maker is doing no one any good. He wasn't amazing at the start of the season but he was doing his job and his display against Bradford was outstanding, so we know he can do it, I just don't know what has happened to him.

Horne and Berro should be the halves for now until either we get someone else in or Thorman rediscovers his confidence and hunger.

DOn't worry, orford will sort all that out for us

As for thorman, he's probably on between £50 and £80 k for this season I reckon

Thorman to FB, Motu to centre, Hall in the halves.

got to be worth trying something!

When we had craig hall at fb the kid was having a detrimental effect on the rest of the team with his mistakes, so we did the right thing and dropped him to the reserves.

The same should happen to thorman, he offers nothing whatsoever.

After the game against cas at murrayfield, i think we had a two week layoff. We knew of the problems then why didnt we get somebody in,or even now a week an half to go to saints match.

Get somebody in now please, don't say next season theres still time to do something this season If we get the right player(s).

Who? Agar can't just pull a good scrum half out of his ar5e you know.

Thorman is an awful fulback, Motu is never a centre and Hall is not a half.

Motu at fullback, Hall in the centre's with Horne/Berro in the halves and Lee/Houghton sharing the hooking spot.

Hall in centre in place of whom?

Whiting.

Play Whiting at 13 and move Radford to the backrow.

I see the reasoning - Whiting would be great at LF - but I just don't know if it's worth tinkering with our right hand side now it's starting to look something like. I don't feel confident about a Hall/Calderwood pairing.

Hall to left centre, Yeaman to right.

I still don't think we should fix one of the few things that's not broken.

No but he could pull several out of NL1 that would do a better job for us than this current joke. Those guys generally have been around and have experience and make up for what they lack in skill or pace with effort and application. What we'd give for a Tony Dean type character. There's quite a few at the end of their careers that could get quite a nice pay day for the rest of this season. Agar supposedly has his finger on the pulse of the NL1 , he'd be better getting his finger out and doing something about it.

We would certainly have a few heart stopping moments in defence down that side with those two, but at the same time at least Hall would try to create stuff for Calderwood going forward.

What would that be??

From what I have seen tonight you would be better with Berrigan and Horne in the halves.
What about Thorman at LF ?
Radford at SR.
Not sure Calderwood offered much last night apart from trying to confront the ref.

The Whiting/Calderwood partnership on our right.

Pfffffffft.



100% effort. As always.

Thorman to first bus out of Hull on one way ticket.

Maybe we should have two bags of balls, one numbered 1-17 and the other containing squad names. We could then select a numbered ball and match that number to the player's name drawn from the other bag.

Or is that system already in use?

It's not as technical as that Dave

Whiting isn't a centre and Calderwood only see the ball from kicks. But hey whatever floats your boat.

I've said it before. Thorman first name off the team sheet. Berrigan to centre, get 80 mins out of him in a position he can play and where we're short of a player; Whiting to Loose, that's clearly what he is and should be played there week in week out for the rest of this season; Lee to 7 , at least you'd get good defence and look to stop the other half; Houghton at 9 for 80,why not? That gives more rotation in the back row as it stands and stops us having 3 hookers all effectively being used as hookers and wasting bench spots. The rest as is with some more sensible interchange timings.

My team for the Saints game would be
Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Berrigan or Lee
Dowes
Berrigan or Lee
Thackray
Tickle
Burnett
Radford
Subs
Houghton
Maloney
King
Hall
Keep Thorman and Moa way from the 1st team, Thorman should be dropped like Hall was and gotinto the under 21's.

Why waste a 21's spot on Thorman, pay him off now or loan him out for the rest of the season.

My team for Saints

Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Lee
Dowes
Berrigan
Thackray
Tickle
Burnett
Radford
Subs
Houghton
Maloney
Moa
Hall

With a kick up the ar$e as they come out to wrm up and another one as they go out for kick off