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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I get the sentiment but paying off and recruiting a whole new staff in one go is not realistic. Why should Horne be sacked? U19s thus far are doing well. And fitness/conditioning - not sure that's a big issue.'"
It won't cost anything to get rid of radford and last in comparison to the cost of relegation to the championship
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| Nothing now...if we want anything to happen we need to turn up at kc on a match day, not walk through the turnstiles. Protest.
We would have to do that in our thousands, 3/4,000 to have any impact imo.
But i dont see that happening
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It won't cost anything to get rid of radford and last in comparison to the cost of relegation to the championship'"
Indeed, but that wasn't the point.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Indeed, but that wasn't the point.'"
We only have 2 first team coaches so replacing them would hardly be difficult. The rest of the backroom staff may be fine for all we know but it would be for the new coach to decide
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"We only have 2 first team coaches so replacing them would hardly be difficult. The rest of the backroom staff may be fine for all we know but it would be for the new coach to decide'"
It would be. Therefore clearing everyone out now would be expensive and impractical.
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| It's interesting to see the reaction of people on here. 12 months ago it was a definite split. Those who stated its not the coach who tells players to drop balls and miss tackles, and others who felt that it was the coaches failings. (That's a simplified summary of feelings 12months ago).
I have been in the give Radford a chance as he has the job, but I didn't want him in the first place, camp. I personally felt at no time last season that we had any signs of improving under LR. He changed the philosophy of the team over night, from a team going in the right direction under PG after the debacle of Agar, to absolute dross. He styles us on the Bulls style of play instigated by Noble under which he got success. That was a style of the 1990s. It's not effective anymore. The game has advanced in style and technique from those days.
Knockers Bump was quite outspoken in saying what ability LR had in close season. I argued that he and we couldn't possibly know what courses, experience etc LR had picked up and that we should wait until Easter.
Well Easter came and we were dire vs HKR. We had a patched up bunch team vs Sts who happen to have a patched up bunch of kids and we got a rare win. We then beat a Widnes team who you could argue beat themselves.
Then Sheffield who competed admirably against us and troubled us at times. Yet nobody and I mean nobody was getting carried away. Our attack was still woeful and we simply relied on our defence. Well that only gets you so far in modern day full time rugby league.
I strongly believe Radford led a mutiny against PG. he is the one who has gained most from it. In my opinion he should be charged with fraud. He has totally misrepresented himself and Adam like a fool fell for it. After all if its too good to be true there has to be a catch.
Sadly the catch is that Adam has dug himself a bloody big bunker into which he has no escape. He's backed LR fully for reasons only he can explain. All I can see LR has done in the off season is paint a building and call it The Boulevard which will by all accounts inspire the squad (another fraudulent act).
So Adam if you do read this forum, and in all honesty to gauge some fans reaction he should, then enjoy the ride. Fans are deserting the KC. Not the club as they will be back once things improve. It's an expensive business following a team. So none of this IAKOW stuff. It's all about entertainment and value for money. Times are hard and not getting easier, so the more reasons you give supporters not to go the more they will not go. Pass holders will attend or be counted, but the walk ups will not. Shirt sales will drop and income will drop, but whatever you do don't blame us fans, as its your incompetence and that of the coaching staff that has caused that and not stay away fans.
Start immediately with a new coaching team who can inspire a half decent bunch of players and you might just keep the fans who go week in week out. Failure to act and its Bradford, Leigh, (hopefully) London and Sheffield again in the summer.
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| Great post @airlie bird and exactly my sentiments
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| radford was never the right appointment and few championed his cause at the time (there were a few, led by his cuz who now seems to have disappeared into the ether). If pearson didn't feel that gentle was the right man then he absolutely had to appoint someone he KNEW to be a better coach, not some untried rookie with barely a couple of seasons as assistant to the previous "failed" coach (I wonder what pearson would give now for the failure of a 6th place finish and a CC final).
radford has show absoultely nothing to indicate that there is a decent coach in ether waiting to break out. We are truly awful to watch. Kicking game poor, kick chase lacks enthusiasm, defensive technique average, attacking play slow, ponderous and predicatable, defensive line speed slow and lacking aggression, backing up non existent. the list goes on but fact is in most respects we are the worst side in SL, kept off the bottom only by a club who play in an antiquated stadium, play in front of pitiful crowds resulting in significant financial problems and are teh only club in SL not operating at the salary cap (I won't mention their lengthy injury list)
The only sensible answer to our malaise is an immediate change of coach but I don;t see pearson pulling the trigger any time soon
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| Quote ="B0NES"I'd love to have a pint with Andy Hay .'"
Pop to Featherstone Rovers nxt weekend then
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| Quote ="@airlie_bird"It's interesting to see the reaction of people on here. 12 months ago it was a definite split. Those who stated its not the coach who tells players to drop balls and miss tackles, and others who felt that it was the coaches failings. (That's a simplified summary of feelings 12months ago).
I have been in the give Radford a chance as he has the job, but I didn't want him in the first place, camp. I personally felt at no time last season that we had any signs of improving under LR. He changed the philosophy of the team over night, from a team going in the right direction under PG after the debacle of Agar, to absolute dross. He styles us on the Bulls style of play instigated by Noble under which he got success. That was a style of the 1990s. It's not effective anymore. The game has advanced in style and technique from those days.
Knockers Bump was quite outspoken in saying what ability LR had in close season. I argued that he and we couldn't possibly know what courses, experience etc LR had picked up and that we should wait until Easter.
Well Easter came and we were dire vs HKR. We had a patched up bunch team vs Sts who happen to have a patched up bunch of kids and we got a rare win. We then beat a Widnes team who you could argue beat themselves.
Then Sheffield who competed admirably against us and troubled us at times. Yet nobody and I mean nobody was getting carried away. Our attack was still woeful and we simply relied on our defence. Well that only gets you so far in modern day full time rugby league.
I strongly believe Radford led a mutiny against PG. he is the one who has gained most from it. In my opinion he should be charged with fraud. He has totally misrepresented himself and Adam like a fool fell for it. After all if its too good to be true there has to be a catch.
Sadly the catch is that Adam has dug himself a bloody big bunker into which he has no escape. He's backed LR fully for reasons only he can explain. All I can see LR has done in the off season is paint a building and call it The Boulevard which will by all accounts inspire the squad (another fraudulent act).
So Adam if you do read this forum, and in all honesty to gauge some fans reaction he should, then enjoy the ride. Fans are deserting the KC. Not the club as they will be back once things improve. It's an expensive business following a team. So none of this IAKOW stuff. It's all about entertainment and value for money. Times are hard and not getting easier, so the more reasons you give supporters not to go the more they will not go. Pass holders will attend or be counted, but the walk ups will not. Shirt sales will drop and income will drop, but whatever you do don't blame us fans, as its your incompetence and that of the coaching staff that has caused that and not stay away fans.
Start immediately with a new coaching team who can inspire a half decent bunch of players and you might just keep the fans who go week in week out. Failure to act and its Bradford, Leigh, (hopefully) London and Sheffield again in the summer.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I get the sentiment but paying off and recruiting a whole new staff in one go is not realistic. Why should Horne be sacked? U19s thus far are doing well. And fitness/conditioning - not sure that's a big issue.'"
I think fitness and conditioning is a problem. The problem being is that is all they seem to do to the detriment of other parts if the game.
I honestly think Radford is obsessed with the big and strong as possible era of the Bulls. The technical skills of the team are disgraceful
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"The whole sprit of the Club has gone .
We play in a Souless environment, with no roots to our traditional supporter base !!
Hull FC are now a Club paying the price for selling out !!
I was at Charleston Club like many others , pre merger when we were fighting to survive . The late great Roy Waudby addressed us before he sadly passed away , about building the Club from stratch.
We may have been better , like our noisy neighbours doing that !!
At least we would have had some passion, spirit and desire !!
Watching this team , in that moonscape of a stadium is destroying us .
Pearson has taken us backwards , first team wise and I never thought that would happen !'"
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| Quote ="FCFaithful Stu"I think fitness and conditioning is a problem. The problem being is that is all they seem to do to the detriment of other parts if the game.
I honestly think Radford is obsessed with the big and strong as possible era of the Bulls. The technical skills of the team are disgraceful'"
Agreed. The blind belief that enough sets of possession in the last third of the field will magically translate to points is staggering. Maybe if you have Hape and Vainokolo it will on occasion, but we're not on that position.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Agreed. The blind belief that enough sets of possession in the last third of the field will magically translate to points is staggering. Maybe if you have Hape and Vainokolo it will on occasion, but we're not on that position.'"
Exactly, the really scary thing is there seems to be a complete lack of appreciation for the fact we don't have the players to play like that.
Although we might not win any more games I would rather see Pryce and Sneyd given free reign to play expansive creative rugby. Especially in the opposition half. It would be a dam site better to watch than that dross served up last night. There is more chance the players would buy in to it as well.
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| I think its time we had a coach who can devote himself to the club and not have any outside interests,
last nights performance was dire , no passion or ideas to break the line.
watching wigans last game even when winning at half time wane shouted the dressing room down
because he demanded more, we need someone of his calibre to boost morale.....
I used to take bottles back to get money to go to boulevard as a kid..
i'm afraid they would stay in the pantry right now......
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| You've only to listen to Radford's radio interviews or watch his press conferences to understand what his pre-match and half time team talks must be like.
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| The coaching is crap ,defense is ok gang tackles one on one needs working on.
Never understood why Pearson gave him LR the job as he was defensive coach and we let in the 70 plus.
The whole team looks jaded though its end of season already,mentally exhausted [loose ball comes out and they just watch it instead of racing on to it
Need a new coach bad and play some of the youngsters to add a bit of enthusiasm to the team.
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| What now?
We ask PG what the real truth is behind everything, who needs weeding out aside from the obvious, despite all his so called no names that certain posters were insisting they were on a ridiculous sum (without any actual scrap of evidence) he somehow managed to get us to 6th in his very first season with next to naught in terms of infrastructure and again the next season plus wembley that was despite losing our only decent half to a head injury for much of the season ( I bet you wish we had a half that could kick like that) and an untested 22 year old at the back end trying to find his feet.
All this talk of McRae handing out (overpaid) contracts like confetti doesn't hold much water when you have a situation were we are now still at full cap and performing like we are, if that was the case then I'd take McRae anyday
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"What now?
We ask PG what the real truth is behind everything, who needs weeding out aside from the obvious, despite all his so called no names that certain posters were insisting they were on a ridiculous sum (without any actual scrap of evidence) he somehow managed to get us to 6th in his very first season with next to naught in terms of infrastructure and again the next season plus wembley that was despite losing our only decent half to a head injury for much of the season ( I bet you wish we had a half that could kick like that) and an untested 22 year old at the back end trying to find his feet.
All this talk of McRae handing out (overpaid) contracts like confetti doesn't hold much water when you have a situation were we are now still at full cap and performing like we are, if that was the case then I'd take McRae anyday'"
I've posted before about how disappointing the second McRae spell with the club was. My main issue was not the salaries that the players were signed on, how do you have a squad similar in number to other teams with a salary cap in place and apparently pay everyone you sign ridiculous money. It doesn't add up, some of the contacts may have been inflated for the experience and quality of the player but not on the scale a lot of people believe.
My real issue was that a lot of the players signed were under the management of the same agent. The same agent acting for McRae and Gentle. For that McRae should be ashamed of his actions.
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| Just stop buying into the product , its simple as that. Whilst everyone still goes nothing will ever change. This whole club needs a big reality check and part of me wants us to go down just so we can turn around and say I told you so.
No doubt people will still go and give the IAKOW bullcrap,I have seen worst times but I have never had the ripped out of me so much by this club as I have now.
We have coaches who would love to coach this club yet we time after time employ the same old crap. Brian Smith would come back after one phone call, for the so called forum coaches he would be a decent appointment and his style is not dated. He is a proper coach who more often then not overcomes th obstacles in front of him. In all honesty any local junior coach would be an improvement, having watched us train its so amatuerish where does our money even go ?
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| Was anybody surprised by that performance? 5 sets on their line with an attack that is led by Super Leagues most overrated number 9 and the worst back line at the club since we had Moon et al and we didn't look like scoring.....was anybody surprised. The whole club is a joke and is in denial.
Adam....you are the master of false promises.
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| I was going to the Cas CC game but after listening to the rugby mater doesn't want to go now. I'm kind of in two minds, I want to go because I don't want to feel just because some turd is ruining my club that that should be enough to put me off from going when I can't get to that many games anyway (the £50-£60 cost per match is irrelevant) but offering my 'support' to the club at a time when a mutiny is being called for because of how dire the situation is doesn't sit well with me either.
I've always come to watch us, good or bad, win or lose. I know it sounds like a IAKOW, it isn't, I'm usually the first to pipe up and say we're carp (& vehemently so!) but the club is in my blood as it all of us and to not go because of how things are and because of the shiate we're playing sometimes feels as if you're being forced to act in a certain way and that doesn't feel right to me either, I can't really explain why.
Even if fans don't turn up do you think that will really change the outcome of what Pearson does when he's shown to be either ignorant of his mistakes or just so immature & lame as a human being he can't stick his hand up and say he just got it plain wrong (the third reason rumour that he is somehow working for Allam and it's a deliberate long term ploy to get us out is ridicuous)
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| I won't be going to the cas game after last night's game. Maybe we should all email pearson to politely put our thoughts across
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| I can't go to the Cas game as we're away for the weekend.
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