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| graham hall who u mean greame horne ??
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Working to Kear's instructions.'"
Guilty by association in my eyes.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"The most glaring sign is your failure to develop young players to their full potential.
Richard Horne is a classic case of a player who just hasnt fulfilled his rich early promise.
Graham Hall was also a hot junior prospect who just hasnt gone anywhere
Yeaman is another who has just stagnated.
Tommy Lee was hailed as a great prospect, but has merely become a big pudding.'"
Horne suffered from not having a fixed position for much of his career, and then being played at SH when he is an SO. Sharp changed that as soon as he was able, and Horne started to blossom. Who knows what would have happened this season had he not been injured for all bar 2 games?
Hall is still a good prospect, but has been over-played this season due to injuries elsewhere.
Yeaman was never as good as some thought.
Lee may or may not still make the grade. At the moment he is also suffering from being played all over the park and too often due to our injury situation.
Quote ="The Chair Maker"This to me is an indication of Peter Sharps weakness in coaching.
The best coaches dont necessarily win things, but they do improve players.'"
Which shows how little you know about Sharp. The one thing he was hailed as a success for in Oz was his ability to bring through and develop young players.
Quote ="The Chair Maker"I dont therefore see how Agar can do a worse job.'"
We don't [ineed [/isomeone who won't do a worse job, we need someone who will do a significantly better one!
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| Quote ="Standee"Guilty by association in my eyes.'"
Now he has the chance to implement his own style of rugby, we should judge him on that.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I would find it hard to disagree with any of that. PS did a good job in handling the youngsters integration into the first team but they have not progressed in the way they should have done.
I am hoping RA is strong enough to be his own man and make tough decisions about player retention and they way in which we play.'"
Paul he picked em cos he had no other choice, did he develop any of them into better players? debatable. Houghton has come on no question, but the lad was a class act anyway.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Now he has the chance to implement his own style of rugby, we should judge him on that.'"
Nobody is suggesting otherwise, merely that his past suggests certain areas of concern.
I'll be supporting him and the players 100% as usual. Unlike some on here (not you), I don't pick and choose based on personal prejudices.
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| Think the majority of Hull fans are feeling, like me, very disappointed and totally underwelmed at this appointment. It is obviously first and foremost the cheapest option that this board have gone for, like they always do. It may prove to be the correct one, only time will tell, but the board should take no credit whatsoever.
To promote from within should only be done when the outgoing coach has been sucessful, continuing with what is already in place. In our case a complete clean sweep is needed. Agar has been shown by the two coaches he has worked under how not to do the job, but how does he know how to do it ?
Steve Folkes has already expressed an interest in the job. With his background and experience the board should have paid him whatever he wanted to do the job. Just watch him go to Warrington now and turn them around.
With premiership football now on offer a big money leader/playmaker must be brought in for next season or season pass sales will be pitiful.
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| I truly believe he has been breed for the job for some time now, he admitted openly he didn't want it when Kear went and I think we are all of the opinion Peter Sharp's contract was never going to be renewed.
I think it's great for the guy and having seen first hand the respect the players have for him that has to be a start.
Richard also has his own contacts within the RL world with his England contributions and also what he doesn't know he Dad certainly will.
He was a very prolific and well known in RL circles in the 80's alone.
Give the guy a chance, go British for a change and let's see what he can do.
He has my support fully and has also hopefully shut all the rumour mill up for a while too and that in itself is worth it.
The all seeing and knowing eyes and ears won't know whats hit them now.
Good luck Richard you deserve the chance.
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| Quote ="simonhullfc"Paul he picked em cos he had no other choice, did he develop any of them into better players? debatable. Houghton has come on no question, but the lad was a class act anyway.'"
Thats what I said, he blooded them well enough and got them started but has not developed them, ptoential has to be realised therwise its just wasted.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Nobody is suggesting otherwise, merely that his past suggests certain areas of concern.
I'll be supporting him and the players 100% as usual. Unlike some on here (not you), I don't pick and choose based on personal prejudices.'"
I don't see it as an area for concern, he was working to the rule of another head coach. The only time he got to do things his way we scored a few points and won some games.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Well we all bemoan the fact that we do not appoint enough young British coaches and here we are running him down before he has had a chance.
For me , there is more to this than that, some soundings must have been taken with the senior players and their views obtained. I think it has been planned for a while myself. Lets face it, for me, it is better than Harrison or Cullen or even Murray. With Richard what you see is what you get and he has studied under a great motivator who could not man manage and a great man manager who could not, apparently motivate. That experience should stand him in good stead! It's a positive for the British game on the franchise front too!
Lets get behind Richard and give him our support!!
Top post Wilf sums it up to a tee for me, As you say there is nobody more Hull Fc than Lasty we could have a great team on our hands there will be an extra bite and will to win in there thats for sure
Good Luck to both
As for an assistant the last time he was in charge and did so well Lasty was the power behind the throne as far as motivation is concerned I would go for him I think although it is a risky one!! The kid is FC through and through though!
The fact is he is now our coach and we should give him at least till the end of this year and a pre season to sort out some of the mess. I think as a club it shows great belief in the British game, although some will no doubt see it as a Cheap and cheerful fix and of course it is both!!!
Lets get behind him on Sunday!!'"
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| Quote ="XxHONEYxX"graham hall who u mean greame horne ??'"
Yes, ive corrected it now.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Yes, ive corrected it now.'"
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| Well congratulations Rich Agar and i'll support you 100%, however i am seriously underwhelmed and frankly cheesed off! I just hope to god Agar is the right man for us. He has a tall job on his hands though, he needs to introduce an effective kicking game, a game that allows creativity, offloads and support play, a mean defence and some expansive play out wide all of which we haven't seen since McRea left........all of which haven't been evident while Agar has been assistant coach!!!!
Please prove me wrong Rich because as i type this i'm seriously considering renewing my season pass for next year - i'll support the black and whites forever as i have done for the last 30 years but i'm so down at this news!
Furthermore i hope the board pull some major fecking signings off for next year or else Rule and Kath need stringing up for taking two weeks mid season break to Aus for no fecking reason!!!!!
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| Quote ="Wollagong Way"
Furthermore i hope the board pull some major fecking signings off for next year or else Rule and Kath need stringing up for taking two weeks mid season break to Aus for no fecking reason!!!!!
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No reason you say, have you seen their suntans they're superb.
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| Quote ="Standee"I don't doubt his coaching abilities, or his RL knowledge, I DO question the motivation behind this decision, the way the announcement was handled and wether our board are really pulling out all the stops for the future.'"
Maybe Sharp was just a stop gap until Agar was ready and that has been the clubs plan since JK left? who knows.
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| So who is the assistant then??!!!!
Please don't tell me Andy Last!?!?!?!
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| Quote simonhullfc Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject:
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Saw more of them on Sunday than we have all season!
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Need players to back them up though don't we?!
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| I cant believe some of the negative stuff folk come out with on here. Give the guy a chance before posting dross. I will be the first to shout out loud if the appointment is a failure but at the moment who knows? None of the all seeing Gods on here can say if the appointment will be a success or a failure for sure even though they might think they know, only time will tell.
As far as PS blooding and progressing youngsters goes. He was stood next to me at West Hull watching the reserves and had to ask me who Craig Hall was - fact! I had to show him MY TEAM SHEET!!! Thats is the only time I personally ever saw him at a game. Not saying he hasn't been more than that but I havent seen him. During his time here I saw him at ONE training session for the reserves and the academy and I have been to most. If he had been there I would have seen it - he wasnt.
Richard Agar - One game in charge , one attendance at academy - last week against Cas. NEVeR saw PS at a single academy game.
Just some points for thought. Now the restraints are off lets just see what RA can do with the systems they teach etc. Its a fact that the academy and the reserves follow patterns as set down by head coaches - not assistant caoches, in order that the players will fit in readily if needed.
Good luck Richard Agar, surely we'll all be happy if you are successful.
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| Quote ="simonhullfc"Saw more of them on Sunday than we have all season!
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| Cheap option from a badly run club. We have Rule who was our marketing director now running the rugby club with little experience (cheap option) They have done the same now with Agar. 2 years at best with York City Knight (what did they acheive under him) now he is charge of once a rugby club with high ambitions, not anymore
Im sorry why do people bang on the British theme, its sad. I dont care if hes Afgan, Chinese or a bloody marshon we needed someone to take a grip of this club and sort it out. As Mcrea (spelt wrong) once said about bad influences in the club, he was right but this time it is coming from the top.
We are going have 2 years out in the wilderness of average performances, yet next year will get the spin of how great a season we are going to have so we have to increase your season tickets to line our own back pockets. Who in the right mind will sign for this club. A head coach who no one has heard of.
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| Quote ="Wollagong Way"So who is the assistant then??!!!!
Please don't tell me Andy Last!?!?!?!'"
Well it would seem the natural choice.
In some ways, I'm quite pleased. Hull FC seem to be finally dumping the showmanship and are finally getting back to grass roots which has always done us proud in the past.
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| I want to wish Richard all the very best. With an appointment from within we have someone who 'Gets' what Hull FC is, and what it means to us supporters. He'll also know what a load of miserable beggers some of us are.
Onwards and upwards chaps, it's the only way to go!
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| I, like many others, have to admit to being slightly under whelmed about RA's appointment. Nonetheless, he gets my 100% backing so best of luck Richard.
As regards RA's assistant, I would like to see someone appointed who has a full copy of the coaching manual. It seems that when Bomber left he took the page that covered dummy runners. I don't think JK or PS noticed it was missing.
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