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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"I had to listen on radio and I kept hearing cheers when Hull did something wrong and especially when Celtic scored.
Irony at it's best but is usually reserved for a top of the table team when they are getting beat by poor opposition not a crap team being beaten by even worse dog poo.
We are at a low ebb and agar is not good enough poor bloke.
Agar to U21s now with Sharp and Last until end of miserable season.
Next week ......glad I am on holiday as Morgan ( our next coach) will make it 7 out of 10 derby wins since they came up - which is a disgrace in itself'" Who says the drugs dont work
But back on topic I dont think his comments help and I did raise an eyebrow when I read them this morning.
TBH Im not sure what he hoped to achive by saying what he did.
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| FC fans are well known to be passionate. That works both ways. When we see a team giving 100%, they get our full support.
When we see a team turning in dire performances (time & time again), they get criticism.
Some of the favourites at the Boulevard were players who were not blessed with world beating ability, but always gave everything to the cause(a la Chico Jackson).
We pay top dollar in a bad economic climate, & supporters have every right to voice their opinion.
To be honest, most people I know have complete indifference to the club at the moment.
To me, this incident has echoes of Peter Sharp & his house on Manly beach comment. I don't think he ever recovered from that, & Agar will need to turn things round pretty quickly to avoid a backlash building up in the same way. I think the end game has begun..............
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"FC fans are well known to be passionate. That works both ways. When we see a team giving 100%, they get our full support.
When we see a team turning in dire performances (time & time again), they get criticism.
Some of the favourites at the Boulevard were players who were not blessed with world beating ability, but always gave everything to the cause(a la Chico Jackson).
We pay top dollar in a bad economic climate, & supporters have every right to voice their opinion.
To be honest, most people I know have complete indifference to the club at the moment.
To me, this incident has echoes of Peter Sharp & his house on Manly beach comment. I don't think he ever recovered from that, & Agar will need to turn things round pretty quickly to avoid a backlash building up in the same way. I think the end game has begun..............'"
Totally agree
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"FC fans are well known to be passionate. That works both ways. When we see a team giving 100%, they get our full support.
When we see a team turning in dire performances (time & time again), they get criticism.
Some of the favourites at the Boulevard were players who were not blessed with world beating ability, but always gave everything to the cause(a la Chico Jackson).
We pay top dollar in a bad economic climate, & supporters have every right to voice their opinion.
To be honest, most people I know have complete indifference to the club at the moment.
To me, this incident has echoes of Peter Sharp & his house on Manly beach comment. I don't think he ever recovered from that, & Agar will need to turn things round pretty quickly to avoid a backlash building up in the same way. I think the end game has begun..............'"
Hope your right.
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| I wonder if the Hull Daily Mail will do a special "dont forget to cheer on the lads and sing till the end of the game" petition/charter/sign here/buy the paper like they did for City!
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"FC fans are well known to be passionate. That works both ways. When we see a team giving 100%, they get our full support.
When we see a team turning in dire performances (time & time again), they get criticism.
Some of the favourites at the Boulevard were players who were not blessed with world beating ability, but always gave everything to the cause(a la Chico Jackson).
We pay top dollar in a bad economic climate, & supporters have every right to voice their opinion.
To be honest, most people I know have complete indifference to the club at the moment.
To me, this incident has echoes of Peter Sharp & his house on Manly beach comment. I don't think he ever recovered from that, & Agar will need to turn things round pretty quickly to avoid a backlash building up in the same way. I think the end game has begun..............'"
"It might not be the beginning,
it might not be the end,
but it is the beginning of the end."
Sir Winston knew what he was on about.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Interesting that I'm a hypocrite for daring to criticise performances and the coach's reaction to fans yet you come on here almost daily and have a go at paul king. What's the definition of a hypocrite again?
I'm not twisting anything. The fact is that the performances from the players have been unacceptable for months. The fans have continued to turn up in droves, following them around the country because they love the club. IMO, the crowd reaction last night was very tame given the dross served up.
agar is paid to do a job of coaching the team, not passing comment on the fact he isn't happy that the fans are voicing their opinions of him and the players.
And perhaps you can give me some evidence of when a top class coach has turned us down because the fans have been critical of under par performances under previous coaches? Or maybe you can give your opinion on why tony smith took the wire job after seeing the way the fans reacted to cullen on SKY?
Don't be so naive. Coaches know that they will be critcised by fans if things aren't going right. It's part and parcel of the job. If he can't stand the heat he should stay out of the kitchen'"
At what point am I a hypocrit for not thinking King justifies his place, I have not changed that opinion for about 4 years now
As I mentioned, if you had previously come out and said it was wrong for the coach / club to comment on loyalty of fans and how appreciative the team / club has been in the past you would have a point. But you don't.
BTW, ever wondered why we are linked with quite a few big name aussies, yet very few big names ever turn up
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| Quote ="UllFC"what a load of balls...last year the majority of the team played at Wembley in front of 80,000, live on terrestrial tv to a few million, and they didn't do a bad job of it.
why the hell would they be 'nervous' in front of the lowest crowd of the year, at home, in a game against the bottom side?
its a lazy excuse for how unproffesional and badly coached the side are'"
Crowd size has knack all to do with it. The players confidence is shot to ribbons. Any crowd getting negative would have a similar impact
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Agar said:
[i"We are under-performing, but it is times like this when we need their help more than ever. Without doubt it has a detrimental effect on the team."[/i
What would he like us to do, come down and take training for him?
The guy has obviously lost the dressing room, he's now lost most of the fan-base. It surely can't be long before the board realise this fact and demand some sort of action.
The simple thing would be to get Agar to fall on his sword, we then have the problem of a replacement. I have no doubt that the board would take the simple (and consequently cheap) way out and either promote Last or get Sharp to take the helm. Either option would be akin to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It seems obvious that Bomber's "cancer" has not reacted to any treatment over the years; that is purely a board problem. Rule, Kath and anyone else on the board, have had the opportunity to change things, they chose to go with the flow.
Well, the flow has now determined that the septic tank has backed up, it's time to call the gulley-emptier in. They can start at the top because that is where floats'"
Dave B, back to his very best
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"At what point am I a hypocrit for not thinking King justifies his place, I have not changed that opinion for about 4 years now
As I mentioned, if you had previously come out and said it was wrong for the coach / club to comment on loyalty of fans and how appreciative the team / club has been in the past you would have a point. But you don't. '"
I said the coach shouldn't criticise the fans. End of. You can disagree all you want but he's shot himself in the foot with a large amount of the fan base. ergo it was the wrong thing to do both morally (given he's in charge of the dirge we've had to watch all season), and from any measure of a common sense action from an under fire coach. I am right
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Is it because we don't hand out brown paper bags full of cash every Friday?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I said the coach shouldn't criticise the fans. End of. You can disagree all you want but he's shot himself in the foot with a large amount of the fan base. ergo it was the wrong thing to do both morally (given he's in charge of the dirge we've had to watch all season), and from any measure of a common sense action from an under fire coach. I am right
Is it because we don't hand out brown paper bags full of cash every Friday?'"
Not saying he hasn't shot himself in the foot, just that he can voice his opinion.
I can actually remember Brian Smith muttering some discontent at the fans reaction to some thing at a game at Widnes (the game has previously been postponed at the last minute, when the rearranged match took place it belted it down and we got stuffed). He basically questioned the fans loyalty. Of course Brian Smith was a well liked and a good coach. But thats the only difference here.
With regard to your second comment, you would be amazed just how bad the clubs reputation is down under for many reasons
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| Thankfully I missed Friday's game - judging by reports of the team's performance it sounded totally dire. The reaction of some fans cheering the opposition was equally dire by the sounds of it.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Thankfully I missed Friday's game - judging by reports of the team's performance it sounded totally dire. The reaction of some fans cheering the opposition was equally dire by the sounds of it.'"
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| Quote ="emmab0708"they cheered the opposition? you cant be serious. out of order imo'"
You are John McEnroe and I claim my £5
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| Quote ="barton baird"You are John McEnroe and I claim my £5'"
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Not saying he hasn't shot himself in the foot, just that he can voice his opinion.
I can actually remember Brian Smith muttering some discontent at the fans reaction to some thing at a game at Widnes (the game has previously been postponed at the last minute, when the rearranged match took place it belted it down and we got stuffed). He basically questioned the fans loyalty. Of course Brian Smith was a well liked and a good coach. But thats the only difference here.'"
He should have the brain not to voice his opinion. It nearly always ends in tears
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"With regard to your second comment, you would be amazed just how bad the clubs reputation is down under
for many reasons'"
Must be terrible with 3 former kangaroos in for next season
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He should have the brain not to voice his opinion. It nearly always ends in tears
Must be terrible with 3 [size=150former[/size kangaroos in for next season
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On that rationale, we have 4 former GB players, just about all of which look well suited to NL at the moment. Everythings going to be ok then
We have been linked with Mason and Civonaceva who were still current test players at the time. We end up with Dads army.
Hull FC are seens as an easy option to Aussies as they know its an easy end to their career. No discipline from top to bottom. And if you get pulled into line by someone on the board you fake and injury or two
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| Quote ="emmab0708"they cheered the opposition? you cant be serious. out of order imo'" yes the fans was cheering the opposition i felt very uncomftable with it but each to there own
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| Quote ="emmab0708"they cheered the opposition? you cant be serious. out of order imo'"
Out of order is collecting your salary every month without putting in any effort whatsoever to warrant it. Out of order is expecting fans, most of whom earn far less than the players, to shell out their hard-earned money every week to watch so-called professionals toss it off and then expecting them to just accept that lack of effort without comment.
A little sarcastic cheering by way of protest isn't even close.
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| Quote ="spegs"Agars response to the fans booing:
"Were all frustrated and it's a tough time. We have got a nervous team that is low on confidence and it's not helping"
Listen you f*cking idiot, the team is low on confidence because they have no leader, they have no leader because you are out of your depth, you are out of your depth because you do not have the ability to coach a team at this level. The rugby we play is p*ss poor and it IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to sort this.
I am not sure if it is a lack of intelligence or plain ignorance but take a look in the mirror, then leave my club alone.'"
thats the second time he has had a go at us fans...so fook em. if we dont have the right to express our feelings i simply wont go anymore...hows that AGAR!!!
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| Here is an idea Richard, if you have the balls then go on Mr Rules next radio programme and respond directly to the UN-EDITED issues the fans raise, in fact, £200 to Prekkie if you have the balls to do it, or are you happier shooting your mouth off with no recourse for us
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| I wonder what next weeks excuse will be, over the past few months its been:
Injuries (admittedly bad but Friday's team was a pretty decent line up and when we decided to play rugby in the last 10 minutes it did well)
The players
The fans
Sharp (its not Richard's team)
I don't recall one time him admitting any mistakes.
Please do us all a favour and go now Richard.
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| Lots of things came to my mind when I read Agars comments and most have been echoed on here already. But what baffles me the most is that one week he is claiming that some players (although you can tell its alot of players) dont really care about rugby and then the next week he complains we dont get behind said players.
Agar and the coaching staff are ruining this club. I can't see how they are still here. Underperforming players are set to get the chop at the end of the year (apparently) so the coaches should too. Thing is, the coaches can get the chop now, allowing a new coaching set up to come in, and make their own decisions on the team for next season
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| A pathetic performance at cas , A dismal home win against Super leagues bottom club and a hammering against those from the east ...Any other board of directors wouldn't need anymore excuses to get rid.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Out of order is collecting your salary every month without putting in any effort whatsoever to warrant it. Out of order is expecting fans, most of whom earn far less than the players, to shell out their hard-earned money every week to watch so-called professionals toss it off and then expecting them to just accept that lack of effort without comment.
A little sarcastic cheering by way of protest isn't even close.'"
Spot on. Agar has shot himself in the foot big time by slagging off the fans.
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