Well obviously yes. However he never showed his current potential whilst there.

Did we sign him because he looked rubbish?



He has definately improved since he came to us, but then again, you'd hope as he got older and more experienced, he would.

When we signed him he had no fixed position and was unproven in SL, his best displays had come in the Championship.

If he leaves it will be as an out and out centre who has proven himself.

i'll be dissapointed to see him leave,n i think he will. Iwas never down on him last year to be honest. Could see he had all the tools you want in a centre. Put his winger in with some great hands,scored a good return of tries, had footwork and you could see he could tackle ,just the defensive reading was a worry. But that was mostly down to the teams defensive patterns n tactics or lack of! Only thing thats come out of the blue is the extra yard of pace thats appeared despite getting bigger! Think he's gonna end up a good un,only a good un elsewhere!

Not sure about the last statement, as he is still to convince me he is good enough for a top team, he has played well against mainly lower opposition and had yet to face witan, Leeds, warrinton or Catalans.

Guess we see if it a mistake or not in th next couple of years, happy with arundal who IMO has as much if not more potential to become a top centre.

Agree with that, I'm surprised with some of the downbeat talk about him on here. I mentioned in another thread the other day, and Paul's just alluded to it, if you compare him to Turner at Salford around the same age he looks the better prospect IMO.

Turner has shown promise, but he's only really got half a season of consistently good performances under his belt. I'd be happy to keep him, but if he goes, it won't be the tragedy some seem to think.

Turner is the best attacking player at the club this season

For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is

For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is

Quote ="Wilde 3"For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is'" Turner was 22 last year, Arundel only turned 20 in August. They're at different stages in their developments, so I'm not sure that says much about what they'd offer you, looking forward. Right now, I'd probably rather have Turner (long- or short-term). In a couple of years, who knows where there'll be at? It's a massively imprecise science.

Quote ="Wilde 3"For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is'" Turner was 22 last year, Arundel only turned 20 in August. They're at different stages in their developments, so I'm not sure that says much about what they'd offer you, looking forward. Right now, I'd probably rather have Turner (long- or short-term). In a couple of years, who knows where there'll be at? It's a massively imprecise science.

But Turner has been shifted from Centre, to stand off, to Loose forward in his career with Hull and Salford, whereas Arundel is purely a centre. So those stats do look impressive

Quote ="Wilde 3"For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is'" Arundal playing in much poorer team though? I would presume that arundal has come about on Andy Hay's recommendation, who will have seen a lot more than him than PG. Also if you compare the stats when they were both 20, arundal looks the better player in two poor sides.

Quote ="Wilde 3"For those who like their stats - these are between Turner and Arundel for last season (where we didnt really think Turner did that much) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012 Given Turner played 6 games less than Arundel, its easy to pick who the better player is'" Arundal playing in much poorer team though? I would presume that arundal has come about on Andy Hay's recommendation, who will have seen a lot more than him than PG. Also if you compare the stats when they were both 20, arundal looks the better player in two poor sides.

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player?hs1=2009&hp1=2810&hs2=2011&hp2=3248&stat=tries&season=2012These[/url are a fairer comparison IMO, showing both players at roughly the same age in seasons in which they mainly played centre. Who would you say looks the better player there?

If Turner did play centre that year, then fair enough

Turner chose to stay in his flat in Hull after all...

It was his last year before joining us and I think he mostly did, SLStats has him mainly down there too, with a few games at stand off.

Interesting, maybe he is staying, if he does signing arundal seems a bit pointless IMO, Martin's place in the squad should taken by crooks. With another youngster promoted take crooks place.

Am I stuck in some sort of time loop making similar points about 5 minutes after you?

Great minds, although mine is slightly faster, maybe it's the time zone

Great news if Jordan is now staying in Hull - unless Hull are maybe thinking ahead to Manu saying no, and us grooming Turner into a second row in the Manu mould??

Or - maybe they dont want to take a risk on Arundel. a lot of players, once they have badly done their shoulders, have it as a recurring injury - Toa Kohe Love springs to mind

If Turner does stay IMO long term he's about as good a candidate I can think of to develop into a Manu replacement. I still think his future is in the back row and he has the footwork and pace to match Manu. If he could add the brute strength and the offloading (which he's already good at) with it, he could be the line-breaking backrower we're fearing losing.

FFS, you're at it now, too!



And thanks, yesterday I couldn't remember Kohe-Love's injury for us.

Which is what i said in the post before yours!! Think you are just posting in a different time zone

The stats are interesting but for me it's what I've seen Turner do on the pitch this season that is relevant. Players do progress at different rates in the early part of their careers. This season Turner has shown pace and ball handling skills more than useful for a centre to possess. He still needs to work defensively but all players have strengths and weaknesses. I was sceptical before this season but I can only go on what I see. I would be happy for Turner and Arundel to be at the club next season as well as Yeaman. Martin will go so Arundel would be a direct replacement.

However, just because he's staying now doesn't mean he will neccessarily stay long term. Who knows, it's a more positive rumour anyway!