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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Please explain to me what part of that statement is un-true,?'"
Looking from the outside in,would you agree that JR has done alot of good things for the club and a few not so good things?.Imo i think he has done a very good job of the day to day running of the club and has kept it afloat.That tells me he has been doing his job properly.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"People like to fence sit until something happens then they can say i told you so, when JR gets his marching orders everyone will be on here listing his short comings.'"
Or, alternatively, some people accept that we don't have all the facts and would rather not jump to judgement.
BTW - nobody is saying that Rule doesn't have shortcomings. Just not necessarily as many as you and others think he has.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Please explain to me what part of that statement is un-true,?'"
Presided.
Also the recruitment part. Agar would have targeted players he wanted to sign and the BoD would have told him which he could have. Rule may have done a chunk of the negotiating but I seriously doubt that he had any influence over who we signed.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Presided.
Also the recruitment part. Agar would have targeted players he wanted to sign and the BoD would have told him which he could have. Rule may have done a chunk of the negotiating [ubut I seriously doubt that he had any influence over who we signed[/u.'"
Or what they were paid
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| Quote ="Kosh"Or, alternatively, some people accept that we don't have all the facts and would rather not jump to judgement.
BTW - nobody is saying that Rule doesn't have shortcomings. Just not necessarily as many as you and others think he has.'"
Spot On.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Judging by pearson's statement then I'd have said that the club has performed poorly in pretty much every area but profitability, which it hasn't done that well in considering the chronic underinvestment. Seems the reason we've been posting profits is because we've been penny pinching everywhere to the detriment of the club as a whole. If you think that's some kind of vindication of rule's capabilities then you have a different view on things than me'"
I would be more inclined to say that it had underperformed in several ways that all relate to the playing aspect, but it's a matter of opinion. Yes, the main positive is the profitability, but there is also our strong franchise position as well as hearing our community work receiving a lot of praise.
The bottom line is that contrary to what many fans seem to think, Rule's job is not to run the club as the fans would like, it's to run it in the way the shareholders want. I therefore see an inconsistency in saying that the old board wanted only to make as much money as they could, and to then say that Rule is poor at his job. If the former is true, then Rule has done his job very well. His new employer would seem to want different things, and Rule may well be just as capable of delivering them.
I'm not saying that Rule is fantastic, or even definitely the right man long term. I'm just saying that I think it's strange to call for his head when we don't know what he has and hasn't been responsible for and the room he's had to work with to do it. He's being tarred with the same brush as the outgoing board when he wasn't a true part of them or one of their peers. Pearson is the man in the right position to make the call, not us.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"All of this defence for rule gives me a sense of de ja vu when people were defending first agar and then the club owners pre pearson's take over'"
I've criticised Agar and the board for long enough, I just think that Rule is potentially a different case.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I would be more inclined to say that it had underformed in several ways that all relate to the playing aspect, but it's a matter of opinion. Yes, the main positive is the profitability, but there is also our strong franchise position as well as hearing our community work receiving a lot of praise.
The bottom line is that contrary to what many fans seem to think, Rule's job is not to run the club as the fans would like, it's to run it in the way the shareholders want. I therefore see an inconsistency in saying that the old board wanted only to make as much money as they could, and to then say that Rule is poor at his job. If the former is true, then Rule has done his job very well. His new employer would seem to want different things, and Rule may well be just as capable of delivering them.
I'm not saying that Rule is fantastic, or even definitely the right man long term. I'm just saying that I think it's strange to call for his head when we don't know what he has and hasn't been responsible for and the room he's had to work with to do it. He's being tarred with the same brush as the outgoing board when he wasn't a true part of them or one of their peers. Pearson is the man in the right position to make the call, not us.'"
Well said Let's see what AP thinks of him, he'll make the right decision.
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"Looking from the outside in,would you agree that JR has done alot of good things for the club and a few not so good things?.Imo i think he has done a very good job of the day to day running of the club and has kept it afloat.That tells me he has been doing his job properly.'"
I would agree with most of that
I have never got on JR back I think he has done his best and many good things have been done. He is part of the old regime and I think that the new King will appoint his own man.
He has his own PA now entrenched in the Hull FC offices
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Depends. I posted on a previous thread that I suspect Hull City pay Adam Pearson more than Hull FC pay James Rule, in which case it would make financial sense for Pearson to stay where he is and leave Rule in his position. He'll still have ultimate control.'"
Depends if he is working for the money or for the love of what he's doing. Seems like the sort of guy who will want to be close to the action in his own club. He may love working at City and not dream of giving that up of course.
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| Quote ="Standee"which is how most people feel, it's easy to be self-righteous behind a keyboard.'"
It's easy to find a job if you have 4 years and are as talented as rule (according to some on here) is
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I'm not defending him either, just suggesting the possibility that he may not have done anything that requires defending. It's entirely plausible that the shareholders were calling all the shots, and he was simply implementing their plans. Of course, you're right that he could have walked away, but would you walk away from a well paid job if you couldn't find anything equivalent?'"
Exactly how I see it. I just don't personally think that a non-shareholding Chief Exec had any say in where/how much money was/wasn't spent beyond making a suggestion.
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| I have no axe to grind in Rule's favour, but his hands were surely tied by the previous board. Doesn't mean that some stuff can be excused, mind
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I would be more inclined to say that it had underformed in several ways that all relate to the playing aspect, but it's a matter of opinion. Yes, the main positive is the profitability, but there is also our strong franchise position as well as hearing our community work receiving a lot of praise.
The bottom line is that contrary to what many fans seem to think, Rule's job is not to run the club as the fans would like, it's to run it in the way the shareholders want. I therefore see an inconsistency in saying that the old board wanted only to make as much money as they could, and to then say that Rule is poor at his job. If the former is true, then Rule has done his job very well. His new employer would seem to want different things, and Rule may well be just as capable of delivering them.
I'm not saying that Rule is fantastic, or even definitely the right man long term. I'm just saying that I think it's strange to call for his head when we don't know what he has and hasn't been responsible for and the room he's had to work with to do it. He's being tarred with the same brush as the outgoing board when he wasn't a true part of them or one of their peers. Pearson is the man in the right position to make the call, not us.'"
Nicely put. I fail to see how anyone could argue with any of that.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Nicely put. I fail to see how anyone could argue with any of that.'"
Wait and see, someone will, it's the way of the world (and internet messageboards).
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| we just have to do our bit now by packing the KC out to the rafters in a sea of black and white!
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| And that starts with season tickets and shirts I think!
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| Quote ="Standee"I hope Fubar has read this, whilst sat looking out on the desolate wasteland in Wakey!!!'"
Hes gone martin cant you let it go?
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| talk is cheap, however the club as a whole need to get 100% behind AP and try to hang onto his shirt-tails as he cuts through the crap within our great club. When he puts his foot down, they better hold on otherwise they too will be out on limb (no room for passengers). Enjoy the ride and lets all get behind AP....
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| Quote ="wolfie"Hes gone martin cant you let it go?'"
He might have gone, but it will take a while for his damage to be undone. He's not Standee's mate, so he doesn't feel the same need to protect him as you do.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"The real planks left before Agar did!
Agar is not the one to blame for it all imo....the board made most of the calls and they were the one's who promoted Agar. Wolfie is right it is history now and we have exciting times ahead [uwe need to move on[/u.'"
No one's asked AP whether we're taking action against Paul Cooke yet.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"No one's asked AP whether we're taking action against Paul Cooke yet.
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A real lol moment that.....actually I wonder if any-one will, no surely not
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He might have gone, but it will take a while for his damage to be undone. [uHe's not Standee's mate, so he doesn't feel the same need to protect him as you do[/u.'"
what a load of sh-te,have i mentioned him?like i said why do people need to keep dropping him into posts,he has gone and we have a new coach.
and as for protecting him,what a pathetic statement.
and pearson is doing a pretty decent job of undoing the damage you stated,starting by getting the crowds back up to were we should be.
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