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| Quote ="hullbg"I will be going and i will be cheering the team on hoping for a win. Even if i knew 100% certain Agar would walk if we lost, i could never go out and hope my team loses.'"
You on Wolfie's bus again mate??
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"You on Wolfie's bus again mate??'"
No, back on my regular bus now mate.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"You would actually go to a game and hope they lose? Or would you be hoping they won by a convincing margin and with a radically improved performance?'"
Yes I have to say I would in these circumstances, I realise plenty won't like that view but I can't help seeing past the simplistic idea that team wins = good, team loses = bad. Obviously that wouldnt make me pleased if we did get beat but its a necessary evil IMO.
As you mention I am a fan and deep down I want the convincing margin and radically improved performance. But truthfully in the whole time Agar has been in charge when playing the top 5 and Rovers, how many matches have we achieved both those things at once? You don't even need one hand to count them, so I'm not holding my breath.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"But there's no guarantee Agar will be sacked if we do lose.
If we knew for certain defeat would mean the end of him it would be a price worth paying IMO. But we don't so I'm hoping as always for a Hull win.'"
Agree and I'm not having a go at anyone that's hoping for a win, but IMO with every defeat the clock ticks a little faster for Agar and I'm personally happy to settle for that than let him and the board have an excuse to continue to serve up mediocrity for even longer.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Agree and I'm not having a go at anyone that's hoping for a win, but IMO with every defeat the clock ticks a little faster for Agar and I'm personally happy to settle for that.'"
The only downside is that the board are more likely to give him at least 10 games of the season. If we lost 8/9/10 of those the season is as good as over anyway.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"
If we won by a convincing margin and with a radically improved performance then of course I'd be pleased, but all =#000040any kind of scraped win would do nothing but drag out even longer the slow lingering death of Agar's tenure.'"
It's Agar's tactics and implementation that are the problem and are the reason we haven't looked like winning convincingly for over two years. We only ever scrape a win or play ugly rugby to drag out a victory. That won't change on Sunday.
Whether we win or lose on Sunday is therefore irrelevant to the problem as most people now understand it - Agar's inability to plan for each match individually and use the skills of his players to the best advantage.
We need to win on Sunday before the competition runs away from us entirely. No point in a new coach taking over half way through the season if we're on nil
points - he could never hope to pull back. As Hullbg points out - Agar'll get until about Easter. If we lose all of those matches we've had it whoever's in charge.
Agar will continue to churn out dull unconvincing rugby either way - this ought to be enough for him to go. It will probably be enough for people other than addicts like me to keep away and the board will finally act.
So I'll be behind the team and shouting for a win on Sunday. My doing so will have no effect whatsoever on Agar's competencies.
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| If we lose on Sunday no way will Agar get till Easter...his days will start to be numbered.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"If we lose on Sunday no way will Agar get till Easter...his days will start to be numbered.'"
I hope you're right, BB, but I fear you're not. 
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| Quote ="WormInHand"It's Agar's tactics and implementation that are the problem and are the reason we haven't looked like winning convincingly for over two years. We only ever scrape a win or play ugly rugby to drag out a victory. That won't change on Sunday.
Whether we win or lose on Sunday is therefore irrelevant to the problem as most people now understand it - Agar's inability to plan for each match individually and use the skills of his players to the best advantage.
We need to win on Sunday before the competition runs away from us entirely. No point in a new coach taking over half way through the season if we're on nil
points - he could never hope to pull back. As Hullbg points out - Agar'll get until about Easter. If we lose all of those matches we've had it whoever's in charge.
Agar will continue to churn out dull unconvincing rugby either way - this ought to be enough for him to go. It will probably be enough for people other than addicts like me to keep away and the board will finally act.
So I'll be behind the team and shouting for a win on Sunday. My doing so will have no effect whatsoever on Agar's competencies.'"
I see your logic but I disagree about Agar getting until easter. I agree that was probably originally the board's view but I think their hand can be forced earlier with a run of defeats. Imagine if we lose on sunday and then get done at home by crusaders, with the inevitable defeat to Wigan that will follow thats 0 from 5 and I believe that could easily be the tipping point.
As for the season running away from us, two seasons ago we managed to win our first five and still miss out on the playoffs, I'm sure with a proper coach in place we could achieve the reverse of that.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"I see your logic but I disagree about Agar getting until easter. I agree that was probably originally the board's view but I think their hand can be forced earlier with a run of defeats. Imagine if we lose on sunday and then get done at home by crusaders, with the inevitable defeat to Wigan that will follow thats 0 from 5 and I believe that could easily be the tipping point.
As for the season running away from us, two seasons ago we managed to win our first five and still miss out on the playoffs, I'm sure with a proper coach in place we could achieve the reverse of that.'"
See answer to BB, above. 
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| I think that hull can win on Sunday as Brough has stated in the HDM hit hull when they are down okay hull are a bit low at the minute but I think giants could be going into this a bit to cock sure of themselves look what happened to KR when we was cock sure, only when the hooter goes at 4.40 on Sunday will you know if it is just a blip or you really do have a cr@p coach.
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| Agar should put his hand up and admit he is out of his depth,he said he would do that when he signed his contract that if he was not up to it ,he would do the decent thing,
The players need to stop talking and start delivering,Sean Long is a shadow of the player hull signed,I would not bring richard horne straight back in either for the hudds game,too much too early
I obviously want hull to win but if it means agars imminent departure then a loss will be worth it
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| Can anyone tell me where i can find agars interview on sky after the leeds game
pm me if its on that tube thing - cannot find it anywhere
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"If we lose on Sunday no way will Agar get till Easter...his days will start to be numbered.'"
Think so too, the team's performance's will have to really improve for him to stay IMO.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Think so too, the team's performance's will have to really improve for him to stay IMO.'"
I think his position will be reviewed after the Cats game and if we're on 10 points which imo we should be he'll keep his job.
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"I think his position will be reviewed after the Cats game and if we're on 10 points which imo we should be he'll keep his job.'"
We should have more then 10 points by then, but I aren't holding my breath! I'm just hoping for better performances more then anything, concentrate on them and the results will come.
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| I think the manner of the results could be a major factor a hammering from hudds and wigan instead of very close defeats may be the key...
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| Quote ="gingerspice"I think that hull can win on Sunday as Brough has stated in the HDM hit hull when they are down okay hull are a bit low at the minute but I think giants could be going into this a bit to cock sure of themselves look what happened to KR when we was cock sure, only when the hooter goes at 4.40 on Sunday will you know if it is just a blip or you really do have a cr@p coach.'"
That is right after our result at castleford last week we are going to be really complacent and treating this as a training exercise.
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| Huddersfield games often bring out the best in Hull. Last season you played the perfect game.
well in the first half anyway.
Sun 20th June 2010KO: 15:00, Venue: Galpharm Stadium, Att: 7,939 Huddersfield Giants (6) 32
T: David Hodgson, Kevin Brown, Leroy Cudjoe, Jamahl Lolesi, Shaun Lunt,
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T: Jordan Turner, Willie Manu, Kirk Yeaman,
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"We should have more then 10 points by then, but I aren't holding my breath! I'm just hoping for better performances more then anything, concentrate on them and the results will come.'"
10 or 12 for me. Bradford at home been the maybe game.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"That is right after our result at castleford last week we are going to be really complacent and treating this as a training exercise.'"
You do know ginge is a dobbin don't you 
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"I think his position will be reviewed after the Cats game and if we're on 10 points which imo we should be he'll keep his job.'"
Our first 5 games are tough and I'll be surprised if we've got more than 2 points at the end of round 5.
The next 5 are easier and we could quite possibly be on 10 points by the end of round 10.
All of which leaves Agar in charge and sets us up for another derby defeat on Good Friday. 
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Huddersfield games often bring out the best in Hull. Last season you played the perfect game.
well in the first half anyway.
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T: Jordan Turner, Willie Manu, Kirk Yeaman,
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Don't remind me,I was waiting on hull for more than a few quid that day in a accumulated bet! Was at alnwick gardens frantically trying to get a signal. Needless to say I was counting the money at ht!!
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"Our first 5 games are tough and I'll be surprised if we've got more than 2 points at the end of round 5.
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If you are correct that would be 4 wins from the last 13 games! 
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"That is right after our result at castleford last week we are going to be really complacent and treating this as a training exercise.'"
What am saying is yeah okay giants are gonna come out and play they're socks of but if hull need to prove sumet it's this week cos believe me there is a lynch mob attending the ground at week end and agar may have to be escorted back to the coach, I tip giants to be in the top 3 that wasn't the best giants game against cas, saying that it looked like a sand pit and giants play better when it's much drier weather, right have I dug myself out the hole I have just dug. 
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