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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"The playoffs are essentially a knock out competition. Wigan were by far and away the best team in 2010, if they had been knocked out of the play offs in the first round it would of been irrelevant imo. [uThe play offs are a money spinner and that's all.[/u'"
all for the good of sky!!!!! one day sky will get bored and think of another idea!!
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"all for the good of sky!!!!! one day sky will get bored and think of another idea!!'"
Wrong. Check out your RL history.
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| People ought to be grateful for the playoffs anyway. I think 8 teams is too much but think how boring the league would be without them and without relegation... most teams would have nothing to play for half the season in!
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| Quote ="garry brindley"People ought to be grateful for the playoffs anyway. I think 8 teams is too much but think how boring the league would be without them and without relegation... most teams would have nothing to play for half the season in!'"
Best way is to bring back relegation and scrap the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Wrong. Check out your RL history.'"
wrong that sky will get bored?subscriptions to sky are on the decline,and murdoch will make cuts if needed!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Best way is to bring back relegation and scrap the playoffs.'"
Even then though, at best you'd have 2 or 3 teams battling it out for the title and 2 or 3 in the relegation dogfight... that's still the majority of teams with nothing to play for.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure why you think the date of introduction is relevant?
Over it's history RL has traditionally chosen it's champions via a playoff system. Alternatives have been tried from time to time but the current system is the traditional one. It may well be a money-spinner but it's not an invention of SKY. The 'minor premiership' is, however, wholly invented.'"
But tradition doesn't make it right!! Fact is: Superleague was a competition invented as just a league, no playoffs... So traditionally it isn't a playoff based competition.
The reality of nowadays is Sky say what goes, without them we have no rugby league. Even the small rules in which you don't have a say: Big screen for tv games (you've got to make it fit), even down to the camera in the dressing room.... Is contracted. Sky brought the playoffs in to create more hype, more viewers and more cash!!!
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"wrong that sky will get bored?subscriptions to sky are on the decline,and murdoch will make cuts if needed!'"
The problem is mate, they're not... Yes a few people may be leaving Sky but subscriptions are on the up. There are now over 10m subscribers and Sky need 2.5m to break even! On top of that they reckon that 7m will be HD/3D subscribers by April. That's another £70m profit on top of the £900m profit last year!!
Noone gets close to Sky's muscle!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"But tradition doesn't make it right!! Fact is: Superleague was a competition invented as just a league, no playoffs... So traditionally it isn't a playoff based competition.
The reality of nowadays is Sky say what goes, without them we have no rugby league. Even the small rules in which you don't have a say: Big screen for tv games (you've got to make it fit), even down to the camera in the dressing room.... Is contracted. Sky brought the playoffs in to create more hype, more viewers and more cash!!!'"
(but sky have admitted,that the higher,sports based packages are down)
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| Quote ="garry brindley"That doesn't change what I'm saying? Most people acknowledge that Barcelona were the best football team in Europe last year but they didn't win the champions league.. people don't go around saying that Inter Milan aren't the real champions though.
Before SL starts you know that the competition comprises a league element and a knockout element, to win it you have to be successful at both.'"
A very different kettle of fish though because it is a completely separate competition.
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| Quote ="Kosh"People think all sorts of things. Doesn't make them right.
The current system is the traditional one. End of. And in fact the whole time we had an uneven fixture list it was the fairest judge of the best team over the season, as in the league rounds not every team had the same fixture list. Now that we don't have that problem I'd generally prefer a system where the league leaders were declared champions and we had a separate Premiership in place of the playoffs and GF. I'm in a minority though.'"
I know it doesn't make them right. That's what makes this enjoyable at times although the enjoyment has gone because even i am getting bored with the overwhelming negativity
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Great news!
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Great news!
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It is to normal people!
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A tumbleweed moment for some.
Well done FC - great news in the current economic climate.
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Well done FC - great news in the current economic climate.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"A tumbleweed moment for some.
Well done FC - great news in the current economic climate.
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Very much so Mrs B.
Quite embarrassing that rugby league supporters would be happy that a club had seen a loss in season pass holders, disgraceful to wish it on your own side.
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| That's great news.
The discount deadline still has over 2 weeks to run and a lot of people hold on to their cash as long as possible. Me and my family have still to get ours and I suspect a few more are the same.
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| Some people won't be happy with the good news
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| 'normal people' dear oh dear. And as far as I'm aware we are still 3000 off last year's sales so I don't understand the smug talk of 'tumbleweed moments' etc...
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| Quote ="Suzie"That's great news.
The discount deadline still has over 2 weeks to run and a lot of people hold on to their cash as long as possible. Me and my family have still to get ours and I suspect a few more are the same.'"
Same with our mob, still 10 passes to get before the 31st deadline.
Always have the good intention of getting them early to get the cost out of the way pre Christmas but always end up buying them last week of December!
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| Yes I think I would agree that there is still a long way to go Garry and I feel that perhaps setting a headline about 10,000 is mischief making by the Mail but 1000 up on last year at this time, particularly as other clubs across the league are experiencing some resistance, taking every thing into consideration is a great tribute not to the game or the club but simply to the loyalty of the fans and is good news!
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| Quote ="garry brindley"'normal people' dear oh dear. And as far as I'm aware we are still 3000 off last year's sales so I don't understand the smug talk of 'tumbleweed moments' etc...'"
Because, as pass sale timings follow a profile year on year, to be above the sales at the same point last year indicates there is likely to be an increase in total passes sold, or at the very least a slight dip, but not the 2000 dip in sales that some have been predicting.
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| I guess a few people (maybe a fair few) will have asked for money for their season pass for Christmas as well.
Great news to be 1000 ahead of last season, IF we can manage 10,000 that would be great.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Because, as pass sale timings follow a profile year on year, to be above the sales at the same point last year indicates there is likely to be an increase in total passes sold, or at the very least a slight dip, but not the 2000 dip in sales that some have been predicting.'"
I realise that, but since yesterday me and a couple of others expressed the perfectly reasonable view that a drop in sales may facilitate better rugby being played in the long-run today some strange people have said that those with that view are an 'embarrassment', 'disgraceful' and 'not normal'... It really doesn't help the image of this forum.
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