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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No he's not, he tackles fairly and can play a bit.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Totally agree, I just don't think he's fit enough to be keeping his spot yet. Our pack cannot cope with that continually, I think we need someone else capable of 30-40 minutes to come in until he's played more minutes in the academy.'"
Agree, no side can carry a player to just do 15 minute bursts. Don't get me wrong, I can see the potential, but I don't see how he keeps King out (and King was fit to play this weekend wasn't he?)
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No he's not, he tackles fairly and can play a bit.
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And what about Sam?
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"And what about Sam?
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"And what about Sam?
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Hows Aizue doing in your reserves?
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| Quote ="Standee"Agree, no side can carry a player to just do 15 minute bursts. Don't get me wrong, I can see the potential, but I don't see how he keeps King out (and King was fit to play this weekend wasn't he?)'"
I'm not sure how fit he is, that might be why he played academy, perhaps the coaching staff aren't either. Regardless, after a bruising encounter with Bradford I did say during the week that I would personally have preferred Moa not to play against Cas, even if that meant another backrower on the bench (Washbrook was definitely fit wasn't he?) and Radford's 2nd stint being at prop.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I'm not sure how fit he is, that might be why he played academy, perhaps the coaching staff aren't either. Regardless, after a bruising encounter with Bradford I did say during the week that I would personally have preferred Moa not to play against Cas, even if that meant another backrower on the bench (Washbrook was definitely fit wasn't he?) and Radford's 2nd stint being at prop.'"
Be interesting to know what he's getting paid, and how much he costs per minute doing 15 minutes a game!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hows Aizue doing in your reserves?
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Better than King in yours
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Better than King in yours
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| Quote ="Standee"Be interesting to know what he's getting paid, and how much he costs per minute doing 15 minutes a game!'"
Can't really say I'd be bothered about that personally. He'd actually come out as better value than Tony, Raynor, Whiting, and Washbrook so far this season, would you say those are bad investments?
He's not fit and arguably shouldn't be in the team, that he is is down to the coaching staff and it's not fair to start suggesting he's being overpaid beacuse of it IMO.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Can't really say I'd be bothered about that personally. He'd actually come out as better value than Tony, Raynor, Whiting, and Washbrook so far this season, would you say those are bad investments?
He's not fit and arguably shouldn't be in the team, that he is is down to the coaching staff and it's not fair to start suggesting he's being overpaid beacuse of it IMO.'"
Its also already been stated he is on a very low wage as a project, to date im happy with him as an investment. He wouldnt be in the first 17 if King wasnt injured or if Crocker/lauaki were here.
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| Quote ="Standee"Agree, no side can carry a player to just do 15 minute bursts. Don't get me wrong, I can see the potential, but I don't see how he keeps King out (and King was fit to play this weekend wasn't he?)'"
Wigan do with Palestine (easier to spell) but granted that is the exception and not the rule.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"it's not fair to start suggesting he's being overpaid beacuse of it IMO.'"
You're right, it would be, which is why I haven't.
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| Quote ="Standee"You're right, it would be, which is why I haven't.'"
It was intimated in your post though, otherwise why would you care how much he was earning in comparison to his game time?
Had he not had a game yet, would you find it interesting how much he was paid?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"It was intimated in your post though, otherwise why would you care how much he was earning in comparison to his game time?
Had he not had a game yet, would you find it interesting how much he was paid?'"
I'm always interested to know what we are expending on players, yes.
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| Quote ="Standee"I'm always interested to know what we are expending on players, yes.'"
Fair enough. I don't really care too much providing they warrant their place in the squad.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Fair enough. I don't really care too much providing they warrant their place in the squad.'"
I can see both points of view, it's like the whole Crocker situation, I assume we are paying him whilst he awaits his visa, will that count on the cap even if he doesn't come over and play etc.etc.
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| Quote ="Standee"I can see both points of view, it's like the whole Crocker situation, I assume we are paying him whilst he awaits his visa, will that count on the cap even if he doesn't come over and play etc.etc.'"
You shouldn't be paying him because he can't fuffil what he has signed to do
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"You shouldn't be paying him because he can't fuffil what he has signed to do'"
As with all things FC, what we "should" be doing and what we actually do can be markedly different!
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| Quote ="Standee"I can see both points of view, it's like the whole Crocker situation, I assume we are paying him whilst he awaits his visa, will that count on the cap even if he doesn't come over and play etc.etc.'"
But again, I'm not really interested too much in [ihow much[/i a player is paid, it's more whether or not they deserve to be paid at all. The only time the amount is ever an issue for me is if we lose someone important to our squad or miss out on a quality addition because of how much someone else is on. To a large extent, the nitty-gritty of numbers is nothing to do with the fans IMO.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"To a large extent, the nitty-gritty of numbers is nothing to do with the fans IMO.'"
It isn't. Just as if you go into a shop, you have no right to know what the staff who are serving you earn. Standee is quick to say that RL is a business when it suits him. How many businesses routinely disclose to their customers what their staff are earning?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It isn't. Just as if you go into a shop, you have no right to know what the staff who are serving you earn. Standee is quick to say that RL is a business when it suits him. How many businesses routinely disclose to their customers what their staff are earning?'"
I've never said it was right or wrong, simply that I am interested to know.
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| Quote ="Standee"I've never said it was right or wrong, simply that I am interested to know.'"
Fair enough. I have better things to be interested in though. As long as it never gets to the obscene state of affairs we see in football, I don't really care what individuals earn.
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| Quote ="Standee"I can see both points of view, it's like the whole Crocker situation, I assume we are paying him whilst he awaits his visa, will that count on the cap even if he doesn't come over and play etc.etc.'"
WOW call the HDM quick Standee says he can see "both points of view"
only kiddin, I dont think it has anything to do with us what he is earning, and people who fixate about others wage are usually on a poor one!!!
As for the topic in hand I believe he has set out his stall quite nicely, he is honest, hard working and certainly looks like he has a future here but by his own admission states he has a way to go!! and that was a cracking one hander he threw as well!!
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| Quote ="wall-y"fixate about others wage are usually on a poor one!!! /quote
funniest thing I have read on here in ages!
Anyway, Moa, he is shaping up okay, don't understand the almost hysteria about him, he's solid and shows promise, my own concern is if he is limiting Maloneys opportunities, or is Maloney not going to cut it?
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