Find the money and poach blease from Salford as director of rugby would be the intelligent thing to do, start with a brain inplant at the club then move forward

We've had 9 permanent coaches in SL. This is taken from the HDM and RL Project and I haven't checked the veracity of the stats so they may not be accurate but here we go;

1st, Shaun McRae: 2000-04, 56%Played 158 - Won 89 - Drew 8 - Lost 61
2nd, John Kear: 2005-06, 55%Played 43 - Won 24 - Drew 2 - Lost 17
3rd, Peter Sharp: 2006-08, 55%Played 68 - Won 38 - Drew 3 - Lost 27
4th, Peter Gentle: 2012-13, 53%Played 64 - Won 34 - Drew 4 - Lost 26
5th, Lee Radford: 2014-2020, 50%Played 202 - Won 101 - Drew 3 - Lost 98
6th, Richard Agar: 2006 & 2008-11, 46%Played 108 - Won 50 - Drew 1 - Lost 57
7th, Brett Hodgson: 2021-22, 41%Played 53 - Won 22 - Drew 1 - Lost 30
8th, Tony Smith: 2023 - to date 35% Played 34 - Won 12 - Lost 22
9th, Peter Walsh: 1998-99, 28%Played 39 - Won 11 - Drew 0 - Lost 28

*Andy Last: 2020, 57%Played 14 - Won 8 - Lost 6

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17

You've got to include the dross either side of those years that radders also served up

I wonder how much of that was to do with it being the end of the season and the need to start selling passes soon to a despondent fanbase that was in need of a boost, plus the fact that Smith was available.

Whereas now we are still at the start of a season so it's different circumstances. There's no relegation and given our provisional IMG grading, I think it's pretty safe to say that we are in Super League next year. What it probably really depends on right now is if Pearson genuinely believes what he said in pre-season about us contending for the playoffs because we're a long way away from playoff contention based on results so far. If Pearson has genuine belief that the playoffs are achievable then he's probably going to have to act sooner rather than later because, as you say, something will have to give eventually.

But if he was just blowing smoke to boost pass sales then he will probably give Smith time to turn things around and see where we are as the season progresses.

People tend to gloss over a lot of Radders tenure because of the cup victories. The years prior to that were pretty woeful and so was 18/19 and the start of 20. Although he was dealt a poor hand in 18 due to that injury crisis.

I’d argue 2016-2019 probably still better sides than any of those coaches ever had. We had an unreal side and only managed to win a cup that’s realistically a lottery (although we did do it with the worst draws possible)

It's criminal the 16/17 squads didn't at least get to a Grand Final in my view.

16/17 definitely the strongest sides we have had in SL since 05/06. I always thought when I saw that 16 squad assembled in particular that something special was on the cards for us. 18 is difficult to judge as we were decimated by injury but it was essentially the same squad as 16/17 and I think we were competing the first half of that season before it all caught up with us. Then in 19 it looked like injuries and age had taken their toll on a few.



Agreed. 16 was probably the best chance but then again maybe it was 17 when they had the previous years experience under their belt and should have kicked on.

Pretty grim reading on here, but sadly all too true !

That did look like a not trying show on Saturday, no line speed, woeful tackle technique, rubbish kicking, no attacking shape ...............

It is clear now that the squad rebuild aimed to destroy the 'cancer' in the club has failed. Really feel for DH, sure he is on a much reduced salary this year, the plan was supposedly to use him sparingly before moving him into coaching ? BUT we didn't sign the players to enable that so he gets flogged to death one more season !!

Hoped the replacements would be improvements or at least similar to those leaving, BUT Tindall for Swift ? Pele for Satae ? Brown for Clifford ? Ese Ese & Ashworth look okay but the rest are just downgrades.

Money clearly the issue, not sure changing the coach will help ?

All part of the despair of being an FC fan.

The fact that Pearson hasnt sacked Smith this morning shows what a weak position he is actually in.
Little point in giving Smith two more games which will prove nothing.
The club is in a very deep hole and Pearson knows it.
His options are do i try and galvanize the fans by taking action and finding the money to pay Tinkering Tony and his crew off or do run with the current state of affairs knowing the club will not be relegated and fans money is in the bank.
Seems to me his financial restrictions will steer him to make the wrong choice again

Hard to believe it was only a few months ago AP was telling us that brighter and prosperous days were ahead once the Covid Loan was paid. Any news on that by the way? Quite a substantial matter for the club and yet complete silence, should it not be paid by now? Early 2024 was his words, we are now nearing April. Its almost feels as if he's lied to us...again.

Pearson Lie to us?
still waiting for my jar of jam

It's always due tomorrow.

Seems to me his financial restrictions will steer him to make the wrong choice again'"

I was under the impression it’s getting sorted October time?

With no chance of us been relegated this season Its probably why we have skimped on spending any real cash on players .
AP has seen it as an opportunity to recoup some cash from the previous seasons losses .

Feels like ourselves, Cas (focusing on off field matters like getting LED boards) and London (guaranteed relegation) have all taken this approach and there's only really 9 competitive teams in SL this year

There's 2 things that would help solve our current issues: money and/or brains and we seem to have neither. Salford have shown time and again that if you're smart you can be competitive without spending loads of money.

Interesting post !
How many have gone on to have successful
Careers after Hull FC ?
Brian Smith did !!

Seems we have only ever appointed lemons
Since 1991

That’s 33 years of mediocrity

I like Justin Morgan but feel he will be past it
Now wherever he is

Tony is a ‘ dead man walking’ - he’s utterly finished
This will only get worse before he leaves
How will he leave ???

Surely Stan goes with him and Grix gets a chance

It simply can’t get any worse and this time
That’s a truism

Until London I don’t know where the next chance
Of a win is as the team look finished mentally

Forget Rowley or any other new coach coming in,we are stuck with Tony,Stan and Grix for the foreseeable future as AP hasn’t the finances to move them out.AP relies on this club for his own salary,so not a chance of any change.Even if Tony walked,we would still only go with Grix or Cummins.This club is at its lowest ebb since pre Super League days and things aren’t changing anytime soon.In James Clark we have a fool when it comes to knowing which players to target,yet he looks to do well with commercial deals.Whether fans like it or not our homegrown players simply aren’t SL standard as in they wouldn’t get in any squad within the top 8,fact.There are a couple of bright sparks on the horizon but they aren’t really ready yet to be in the 17 every week

Adam isn’t a wealthy man
He runs a business year to year and
has been affected by 2 bad years of covid
Like a farmer with drought

His hands are tied and he’s doing a good job keeping the club afloat

He’s not a great man manager as not one coach has performed well with Adam as their manager

Imagine if Hull FC were a big company on the stock market !!
Would Adam still be the Chairman ?

100% he’d have gone within 2 years as he can’t manage his staff
But he can manage the money and he’s done a great job to keep us in business and have a reasonable side on the pitch

I always blame the Coach for shoite results
Always Always

Brian Smith worked miracles with bang average players
Paul Rowley at Salford another example
Justin Holbrook at Saints was a genius it seems

So good luck to our Finance Director Adam and all the best to Tony in his well deserved retirement

justin morgan is the assistant to andrew webster at NZ Warriors who had one of their best seasons last year getting to the semis, got pipped by the better broncos side in the second half

edit* himself and richard agar were in the camp with agar being the main assistant, although its not showing he's in the setup this year

I agree.... Smith, Gene & Davidson, cant afford to be sacked. hardly surprising ,considering...
Head Physio- Gone.
Head Strength & Conditioning - Gone
Both not replaced.
If both of the above aint replaced, Is there any wonder, why our players are either fatigued, or injured.
Any coach would struggle with a reduction in key areas.
Even Salford with their financial woes, have more backroom staff than we have...

The only people that can make a difference are the players that take to the field. This is their occupation and this is their time.

There's no coach in the World that prepares their team to go and play like that team did at the weekend.

The players are the ones that need to be ridiculed and roasted, and extremely harshly, and not as individuals but as a team.

They need to be roasted to the point of embarrassment and humiliation.

Maybe then they'll see that they're playing for an important badge on their chest.