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| Quote ="His Bobness"Yes how rotten of Gwilym to go on about a drug taking cheat and a CEO who orchestrates a cover up. Fancy a journalist going on about something trivial like that, doesn't he have anything newsworthy like a Hull FC training session he could report on?
What about the league points Hull FC picked up whilst Gleeson was cheating? FC certainly won a derby with Gleeson scoring a try. Cas lost out to Hull for a play off spot by a single point so they have grounds for complaint certainly.
It's OK Hull saying the culprits have left the club but that's not good enough. Hull benefitted by the cheating of 3 of the staff and there will have to be some pay back.
Instead of worrying about Gwilym Llloyd you should be more concerned about the repercussions that may still lie ahead.'"
Wish I could find the crying/taking my ball home smiley
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| Quote ="His Bobness"
It's OK Hull saying the culprits have left the club but that's not good enough. Hull benefitted by the cheating of 3 of the staff and there will have to be some pay back.
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Its a shame having 13 Aussies over your quota didnt benefit you
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Yes how rotten of Gwilym to go on about a drug taking cheat and a CEO who orchestrates a cover up. Fancy a journalist going on about something trivial like that, doesn't he have anything newsworthy like a Hull FC training session he could report on?'"
Oh dear. I was responding to a Huddersfield fan's neutral criticism of Lloyd's performance on Radio 5 Live. To say Lloyd is impartial within the city's RL would be an extreme stretching of the truth. To say he is a rugby league expert when his knowledge of rugby league beyond the city boundaries is shaky would be similarly unwise. Of course it's a highly newsworthy story, there can be no doubt about it. That's why he was sought out by 5 LIve as the impartial expert. Sadly for them, and for the sport of RL, according to Mr Giant, it didn't quite work out. I was furnishing our Huddersfield friend with some explanatory context for his criticism of Lloyd's effort on national radio. Simple as.
Quote ="His Bobness"What about the league points Hull FC picked up whilst Gleeson was cheating? FC certainly won a derby with Gleeson scoring a try. Cas lost out to Hull for a play off spot by a single point so they have grounds for complaint certainly.
It's OK Hull saying the culprits have left the club but that's not good enough. Hull benefitted by the cheating of 3 of the staff and there will have to be some pay back.
Instead of worrying about Gwilym Llloyd you should be more concerned about the repercussions that may still lie ahead.'"
You speak indignantly as if this is new inforamtion. Of course there may well be consequences. I have already brought this point up myself and defended it against those who said there probably wouldn't be. Sadly you seem to have tripped over that fact in your haste to caress your beloved "G". Tragic.
And as for the point about Rovers being cheated of a couple of points, let's not forget you got smashed by 50, yes 50 points, in your play-off game. I have sympathy with Cas, for sure, but only the most delusional Rovers fan would claim this incident had a major impact on the competition.
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| The question I ask is who is the whistleblower? Who informed the Hull Daily Mail? All of this apprently happened in June!!!!! It was a well kept secret not only by fc, the guilty parties, the drug agency, and the RFl. So why has it come out now?
Someone is hacked off over this. . .Gleeson? Cooper? Rule?
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"The question I ask is who is the whistleblower? Who informed the Hull Daily Mail? All of this apprently happened in June!!!!! It was a well kept secret not only by fc, the guilty parties, the drug agency, and the RFl. So why has it come out now?
Someone is hacked off over this. . .Gleeson? Cooper? Rule?'"
It's come out today because the UKAD has announced it's findings/punishments.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Yes how rotten of Gwilym to go on about a drug taking cheat and a CEO who orchestrates a cover up. Fancy a journalist going on about something trivial like that, doesn't he have anything newsworthy like a Hull FC training session he could report on?
What about the league points Hull FC picked up whilst Gleeson was cheating? FC certainly won a derby with Gleeson scoring a try. Cas lost out to Hull for a play off spot by a single point so they have grounds for complaint certainly.
It's OK Hull saying the culprits have left the club but that's not good enough. Hull benefitted by the cheating of 3 of the staff and there will have to be some pay back.
Instead of worrying about Gwilym Llloyd you should be more concerned about the repercussions that may still lie ahead.'" You don't post much on here, but when you do it's the most pathetic, small dick syndrome, bullsheite I have the mis-fortune to read.
I'll happily bet you Rovers debt (including Allams £1m) that the RFL just conclude that the matters been dealt with.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"It's come out today because the UKAD has announced it's findings/punishments.'"
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| Quote ="Smiggs"It's come out today because the UKAD has announced it's findings/punishments.'"
Back in june, I heard off someone at Brantingham Park gym that Cooper was sacked due to a doping issue with Gleeson. Can't remember who told me but there is deffo someone at the club with an axe to grind against the old regime!
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"The question I ask is who is the whistleblower? Who informed the Hull Daily Mail? All of this apprently happened in June!!!!! It was a well kept secret not only by fc, the guilty parties, the drug agency, and the RFl. So why has it come out now?
Someone is hacked off over this. . .Gleeson? Cooper? Rule?'"
Gleeson was banned in June but he appealed and his appeal was not heard until late October. No announcement could have been made before then.
Similarly the case against Cooper was heard in October. Rule was not even charged until November and the decision to ban him was made on 14 December.
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| Quote ="GM1"Back in june, I heard off someone at Brantingham Park gym that Cooper was sacked due to a doping issue with Gleeson. Can't remember who told me but there is deffo someone at the club with an axe to grind against the old regime!'"
Possibly so, but the reason it is in the papers today has nothing to do with a "whistleblower"
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| The story has been picked up by The Washington Post. That's the Washington in the US rather than in Tyne and Wear.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Thoughts:
1) Fecking disgrace
2) Putting aside Rule's involvement, asa general point, FC invite trouble by retaining the likes of Cooke and Raynor after transgression and signing player after player with "form" - Tansey, Reardon, Gleeson, Long, Aspinwall, Seymour. We should not be surprised that we are continually linked with this sort of thing when some of the participants are known risks. One would hope this is taken as a learning by McRae and Pearson, but the fact Aspinwall's on their watch suggests this hasn't happened yet.
3) In some circumstances this sort of thing is "justified" or "explained" by the huge pressure on individuals to deliver in marginal sporting circumstances, like an Olympic sprint final, for example. FC haven't troubled the top teams for 4 seasons and showed no sign of doing so before or during Gleeson's time at the club. Rule is not only guilty of deception, but utter stupidity to risk his career over a knackered player who wouldn't influence FC's performance or finishing position one way or the other. Personally I would have thought he'd have protected himself better and it surprises me that he didn't.
4) Thank goodness for Adam Pearson's takeover. Can you imagine going into 2012 with Kath and Agar still at the helm, a massive (probably unpayable) tax bill and then this emerging. In this context we're lucky the club still exists.'"
My thoughts exactly. I'm fecking sick of spending the last 6 or so years regularly seeing the club I love shoot itself in the foot due to the incompetencies of the idiots who have been running it. I sincerely hope this is the last time the club is dragged through the press for all the wrong reasons.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"The thing I can't get my head around is, even if you have the inclination to cheat and the tery to lie about it, [u "Why bother?" FC under Agar were awful and were never going to win anything[/u, with or without a knackered and troublesome centre. Why would two people risk their career over it?'"
The only reason I can think, was that with Gleeson in the side,we could have had a stronger finish to
the season, therefore Rule's spin could've had some credibility for the next season pass sales,coupled with the retention of his mate 'Rich'.
Maybe they thought,they'd never get caught?
Or maybe Gleeson was so desperate to land a renewed contract, he gambled on a shortcut, and it failed miserably.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"The story has been picked up by The Washington Post. That's the Washington in the US rather than in Tyne and Wear.
[urlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/british-rugby-player-2-club-administrators-banned-in-doping-scandal/2011/12/29/gIQAZ1kjOP_story.html[/url
[EDIT If that link asks for a login, try Google.'"
Will we become more famous than rovers if that goes round the world?
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| Quote ="Bigger Daddy"I guess because the truth would have potentially implicated Sean Long (it certainly would have revealed that he was also taking a banned substance). Whereas if Gleeson had claimed to have not consulted anyone, he would have been obviously negligent and so there would be no mitigation.
When Gleeson arrived we looked a different side with a proper right centre. I still had hope. Maybe James Rule did too. Doesn't excuse what he did though, it was stupid and he deserves his punishment.'"
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"There were a few posters on here who bemoned the fools who owned us before, yet week in week out the club apologists came trotting out saying how fab Rule et al was, grade A and all that jazz.
Those guys were right you know. No wonder they dont post now'"
I consistently told everyone what hetherington and rule were really like and was roundly criticised for it. Thankfully, I'm a smug barsteward who will continue to remind everyone
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I consistently told everyone what hetherington and rule were really like and was roundly criticised for it. Thankfully, I'm a smug barsteward who will continue to remind everyone'"
I hope so, you stood the test of time, there were a few who posted, but they not about now, shame really
We should have a "remember them" thread....
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| Quote ="hullbg"With his 1st season being 2010 and him asking and getting the ok from Cooper it would be safe to presume he did.'"
He could have just asked for the OK but not actually used it you know. Planning ahead, like.
If he [ihas[/i used it recently then he's been very lucky not to get pinged during a test. Being injured so much will have helped, but players are tested outside of matches as well.
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| Quote ="weaver93"The only reason I can think, was that with Gleeson in the side,we could have had a stronger finish to
the season, therefore Rule's spin could've had some credibility for the next season pass sales,coupled with the retention of his mate 'Rich'.
Maybe they thought,they'd never get caught?
Or maybe Gleeson was so desperate to land a renewed contract, he gambled on a shortcut, and it failed miserably.'"
you have to remember that when Gleeson was caught, we'd just beaten Salford away, on the back of beaten Rovers and Warrington over the Easter weekend, and a credible draw with Saints. In James Rule/the boards eyes this was the start of our push for the title (I am convinced they had every faith in Agar) and they woulden't have wanted anything to disrupt that.
alternatively it could have been that in the boards eyes Gleeson and Cooper had made an honest mistake in trying to get a former international player back to his best. Either way they got it incredibly wrong.
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| You know what, Gleeson was ace, his footwork was always good, he had a good step and run hard,
I know he needed fitness and we needed that quick, but his weight wasnt really a problem! probably would have helped running that ball in hard, which so many of our players didnt do.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Yes how rotten of Gwilym to go on about a drug taking cheat and a CEO who orchestrates a cover up. Fancy a journalist going on about something trivial like that, doesn't he have anything newsworthy like a Hull FC training session he could report on?
What about the league points Hull FC picked up whilst Gleeson was cheating? FC certainly won a derby with Gleeson scoring a try. Cas lost out to Hull for a play off spot by a single point so they have grounds for complaint certainly.
It's OK Hull saying the culprits have left the club but that's not good enough. Hull benefitted by the cheating of 3 of the staff and there will have to be some pay back.
Instead of worrying about Gwilym Llloyd you should be more concerned about the repercussions that may still lie ahead.'"
Put the sock away, daft lad.
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| Knowing the culture at FC at the time I know many posters on here will agree that Rule would not have made this decision to cover it all up by his sen.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Put the sock away, daft lad.
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He got it free with his season pass
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| Quote ="Rhino Roy"even people outside the club know that Rule was only Uncle Kath's puppet'"
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| Quote ="Ian P"eusa_clap.gif even I dare not state that'"
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