Disagree completely. Yes the players have to have the desire but the coach is the main man.

Look at Wire, got the right man in and now they are flying.

Look at Hudds, got the right man in and now they are flying.

Look at Wigan etc etc.

to do what, lose away at Warrington/Wigan, what makes you so certain, unless you are suggesting that players who didn't seem interested/capable in attack on Friday night are suddenly going to start pulling their weight, in which case, that's hardly a sign of professionalism within the squad, is it?

And, if that is the case, it indicates even more strongly that RA isn't the man for the job, as the players clearly don't resepct him.

so which is it, the coach, the players, both?

Ah so once teams get to the playoffs they may as well sack the coach as he plays no part in it from there. You really have excelled yourself with that comment Expro.

Ah, that's alright then Mr Cornetto. We might finish 8th and given that Catalan look likely to be 5th, we'll get knocked out at the first hurdle in France. It's worth waiting a full season for that outcome isn't it? Utter rubbish.

It is quite easy to get rid of a genital wart.(apparantly),
which is more than can be said of our illustrious friend.

Are you saying he is our Cab Man?

Why should it be any different this weekend to the last four years of CC & play-off games?

Let's hope the cup run is exactly the same as the one three years ago with one added bonus.

I hope we do but It's gonna cost me nearly 2 grand for early flights home from my holiday if we do

I think you're £2k is safe Jake.

That's what I thought when I booked

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Convenient that knockout rugby is not down to the coach, when our knockout record during Agar's tenure is especially abysmal.

I wasn't until I checked the cost of flights the other day. Missus would go mad but I'd pay it and we'd be coming home early

Its common knowledge that we are unable to perform against the better sides during our current coachs tenure, however I wondered what his record is against the less successful sides and based on the period 25th May 2008 to the present excluding cup games (which isn't pretty reading in itself), we have the following overall win ratios against SL sides;

Bradford 63%
Castleford 63%
Catalans 50%
Crusaders 75%
Harlequins 83%
Huddersfield 29%
Hull KR 40%
Leeds 0%
Salford 83%
St Helens 36%
Wakefield 42%
Warrington 17%
Wigan 17%
(Based on both home and away results)

So out of 13 opposition clubs we have a 50% or better win ratio against just 6 clubs, which I guess tells us what we already know; that we are a lower order club that will occasionally make the playoffs. What is surprising, is that we have such a low win ratio against those giants of superleague - Huddersfield (29%), and that with a 42% win ratio against Wakefield, it was probably a poor decision to release John Kear

, although the problem is probably more one of not replacing him with competant coach's subsequently.

I've never entered into the coach bashing on here although I've been known to be quite vocal at games and elsewhere, but I've had enough. I will not be renewing our passes for next season and will pick and choose which games we go to, although nowadays it's usually just me going anyway.

I reckon Wigan will be our coaches 100th game in charge for this spell (I know that there were 4 games previously as caretaker, but I haven't counted them - 3 wins out of 4

), if we lose that, then his win ratio will fall below 40%, which is way less than is acceptable. FWIW I don't go with the idea that we are a big club, we have the potential yes, but big clubs build a reputation from onfield success, we haven't been able to do that, and nothing indicates to me that we will do so in the near future.

I had a season pass for nine years, I wouldn't class myself as a fan; just enjoyed watching some league after moving here, and staying, for Uni. Stopped buying one after the dross served up under Agar's regime, I'm not bothered about a trophy winning FC, I'd just like to watch them be capable of mixing it with the big boys whilst providing some entertaining play instead of the tedious stuff of recent seasons.

On a different note; look at the difference in quality in overseas signings for next year between Saints and ourselves. Tells you all you need to know about our board's ambition, everything on the cheap.

Why are Saint's overseas signings better than ours?

So is that why John Kear is touted as a coach that can raise his players for knockout rugby?

Come on admit that you're working for Hull FC and are just one here to inject some Agar positivity. Anyone with even an ounce of RL would know Agar is in so far over his head. I'd put my house on the fact that if we let him go, only a NL1 club would sign him up.

Glad I'm out of the country next year as buying a season ticket to watch his dross week in week out would have sent me to the Humber Bridge!

If its a game of guess who then you are Steveo and I claim my £5

How are there overseas signings better ? Laffranchi ? Good player but if we signed him sure you would say had his best days , not many times do we sign a 27 year old halfback just need a proper coach

A very fair and analytical appraisal.

If this had been carried out after one season it would hold little significance. However, over three seasons it really tells a story of failure.

Just look at our strike rate percentage against the current top four. It currently stands at less than 25%. Therefore, we lose 3 in 4 games against the current top four under Agar and people claim we are a possible top four team.

Answer to the thread question= NO. I think our chances of finishing 8th are looking dodgy (bottom half of the league!!) so our chances of winning a grand final is virtually nil, think our chances of getting to CC cup final are pretty slim as well but if we did it would be just like 2008 all over again. i like to think of myself as an glass half full sort of guy but surely its last orders and time at the bar now, surely its time for change now!!.

As a matter of interest, how cheap is Agar?

Going on his results not cheap enough.

I must have too much time on my hands but using the figures above, under Agar we have a current strike rate of 30% give or take against the current top 7. If you assume KR take eighth from us some time soon, we have a strike rate of 32% against what would be the current top eight.

That is pretty damning in my opinion we win 1 in 3 three games or less against the better teams that we are competing against for the top eight. We can't even state we have a right to be in the top eight with figures like that.

It's information like this and the fact that Agar's win rate is about to fall below 40% that makes you wonder what do the BOD use to evaluate his performance.