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| Quote ="The Brother"Are you on some sort of f00king drugs? I will decide if and when I want to go and just because I see the bigger picture doesn't make me anymore or any less of a fan just because I vent my feelings and do not class faliure as a reward because thats all I see. I have played,coached,and watched more games than you have washed,cooked,and cleaned for your husband. If you think were going in the right direction fine,i don't. Im not happy with a coach that txts fans slagging his players off,neither am I happy that he now has his team but the standard of performance is pi$$ poor,neither am I happy that I don't see that our coach has improved or made any of the team into better players,i would expect a sl team to have more than 4 moves. Im a hull fc fan and will continue to support my team regardless of the poor coach in charge ala peter sharp,as i'll still be going long after he has gone. So there you have it we are a massive club and with a better coach we would have a better pool of players and have more chance of success and I don't expect faliure to be rewarded. As for sucking up to agar think you find at the forum at truck theatre when everyone was gunning for agar I was the only one then to take him to task and ask any difficult questions. Have done the pots yet?'"
Can you give it until about half an hour in at this year's forum before you ask your 2 minutes of fame questions ? I'll be in the kitchen putting kettle on around then - no radio in there.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"How would it be a bad joke...
He has major issues with Agar and where the board is taking the club, he believes this will be reflected in our final position at the end of the season....I believe he is wrong, so if he loses the bet he would then have to go to the forum and instead of complaining like he has in the past he then has to acknowledge Agar and the board are going in the right direction. If I lose I will go and raise the issues....This is no joke.
There is no issue with him constantly complaining about Agar & Co, but if they do go in the right direction (which I feel they personally did last season, still a long way to go though) surely he will want to congratulation them and admit he was wrong!'"
Why should either of you stand up and say something you don't believe?
It's such a mature suggestion my 6 year old could have come up with it
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| Can I just clear some-thing up...We have a dishwasher
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Can I just clear some-thing up...We have a dishwasher
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Why should either of you stand up and say something you don't believe?
It's such a mature suggestion my 6 year old could have come up with it'"
It's better than saying something stupid like 'anything to see you £100 lighter'
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| Quote ="BP1"Have we suddenly gone back to the 1970's. I think you'll find that kind of sexist, "a woman's place is in the kitchen", nonsense went out with lava lamps and fondue sets. And that is despite the fact that your abuse was hurled at someone with whom I've had a couple of spats (funnily enough, about this very same subject).
I'm actually in agreement with your main argument. I also am not convinced that we are on the right road to where this club should be, but you'll be better served presenting that argument in a more rational manner rather than simply hurling out a few out-dated stereo-typical cliched insults.
I still agree with the point you're making mind, just not sure about the manner of it.'"
we still have one of each ! saddos or what ?
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| Quote ="The Brother"Mcguire,morgan,smith,brown,mcrae,potter,take your pick'"
McGuire, Smith and Brown fair enough.
Potter - did nothing at Saints, Morgan - what has he ever won in the top level?, McRae - Had a superb squad at Hull and could not deliver success.
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| Quote ="The Brother"Mcguire,morgan,smith,brown,mcrae,potter,take your pick'"
Mcguire - definately
Morgan - definately
Smith - definately
Brown - definately
McRae - definately
Potter - definately
It would be a lot easier and quicker to list the SL coaches that WOULDN'T do a better job !
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I have watched rugby league from 5 years old, I watched my brothers...I then married a player, I now coach with my hubby who is also a coach, we did the double last year at under 15s...you may have watched more games than I have cleaned for my husband though because I am not a maid, you will not have watched as many as I have cooked for my husband though as I love cooking...tell me are you getting the gist here
I need say no more on any of this as most reading this thread will come to there own conclusion here...My opinion is you really are not very bright!'"
you don't fancy moving down to france by any chance ?
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"
It would be a lot easier and quicker to list the SL coaches that WOULDN'T do a better job !
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Then it opens the can of worms that is 'success or failure'
We've had debates on here for god knows how long about what success is. Lots of people for example class last year as a success because it was an improvement from a league position point of view.'"
I think the problem with certain threads is not the fact that people are happy with the improvement Hull showed last season, (I wouldnt use the word success), if not happy with the overall picture, but the constant insinuation that 2010 was an abject failure by some which is totally unreasonable IMO.
Your breaking down of into tiers is probably fair but I would class consistant challengers as the top tier and not just trophy winning. Saints havent won a trophy since beating us at Wembley in 2008 but I would not class them as failures. Just as I think the Giants will be pleased with their progress despite remaining trophy less because they are now in the mix and genuine contenders for the major prizes.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"I think the problem with certain threads is not the fact that people are happy with the improvement Hull showed last season, (I wouldnt use the word success), if not happy with the overall picture, but the constant insinuation that 2010 was an abject failure by some which is totally unreasonable IMO.
Your breaking down of into tiers is probably fair but I would class consistant challengers as the top tier and not just trophy winning. Saints havent won a trophy since beating us at Wembley in 2008 but I would not class them as failures. Just as I think the Giants will be pleased with their progress despite remaining trophy less because they are now in the mix and genuine contenders for the major prizes.'"
If you want to amend my 5 tier model into a 6 tier model thats ok. Tier 5 is consistently challenging. Tier 6 has to be winning silverware then. Consistently challenging and winning nothing cannot be the ultimate level imo.
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| Potter - No
Matterson - Definately Not
Robinson - Going to say No
Powell - No
Brown - Not entirely sure, can take him or leave him
Morgan - No, don't think he can offer us anything
McDermott - No
McRae - Didn't do it before, won't do it again. No
Simmons - Not seen enough of him to pass judgement
Kear - No
Smith - Obvious answer would be Yes but not seen him work with a squad that isn't really the best in the league
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| Quote ="Big Dave T" Consistently challenging and winning nothing cannot be the ultimate level imo.'"
Thats a fair point. The top level would have to be a limited club out of the reach of 12 of the 14 clubs any one year.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Mcguire - definately'"
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"McGuire - See Smith, obviously a great coach but so you should be with that squad of players
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The squad he had last season was hardly amazing, he just got them playing very well. You're doing him an huge disservice there.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Can I just clear some-thing up...We have a dishwasher
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And the dishwasher is called Berrigans Bitch
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"The squad he had last season was hardly amazing, he just got them playing very well. You're doing him an huge disservice there.'"
Also Nathan Brown took Huddersfield from 10th in 2008
to 3rd in 2009,with the following signings, these signings are hardly the calibre of Long,Fitzgibbon,and O'Meley.
Brett Hodgson Wests Tigers August 2008
Scott Moore Castleford Tigers August 2008
Simon Finnigan Bradford Bulls September 2008
Josh Griffin Wakefield Trinity Wildcats October 2008
Michael Korkidas Castleford Tigers November 2008
Greg McNally Whitehaven RLFC November 2008
Larne Patrick Free agent December 2008
Shaun Lunt Workington Town December 2008
Joe Walsh Harlequins RL November 2008
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Potter - No
Matterson - Definately Not
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Powell - No
Brown - Not entirely sure, can take him or leave him
Morgan - No, don't think he can offer us anything
McDermott - No
McRae - Didn't do it before, won't do it again. No
Simmons - Not seen enough of him to pass judgement
Kear - No
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McGuire - See Smith, obviously a great coach but so you should be with that squad of players
Harris - No
Just my opinion..!'"
So, in your opinion, we have the 3rd best coach in Super League?
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Tiers 1 and 2 are a given for Hull. Given the time that Agar has had to build his squad he should have confidence in his charges to achieve tier 3. If tier 3 is achieved then tier 4 could well be missed out.
Such is the size of your club i believe that your fans would still moan with a top 4 finish unless it culminated in an Old Trafford appearance.'"
If we finished top 4 and battered a few teams along the way, I would be ecstatic after the dross we have seen over the last years. If we don't get to old trafford so be it.
Tier 2 as you put it is where we are, and as the Brother has said, it is not good enough by a long long way.
We were at old trafford and where are we now?
Why are we where we are now?
I cannot believe that people slag of negativity when they are people that want the club to succeed. If we don't and end up at Costello, I will still be there. I bet you Jake and the Brother would still be there as well. Fact is, we have a hell of a lot of issues as a club. It needs sorting. Agar for me, is on the last season unless we get to Tier 2. And we ain't gonna.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Also Nathan Brown took Huddersfield from 10th in 2008
to 3rd in 2009,with the following signings, these signings are hardly the calibre of Long,Fitzgibbon,and O'Meley.
Brett Hodgson Wests Tigers August 2008
Scott Moore Castleford Tigers August 2008
Simon Finnigan Bradford Bulls September 2008
Josh Griffin Wakefield Trinity Wildcats October 2008
Michael Korkidas Castleford Tigers November 2008
Greg McNally Whitehaven RLFC November 2008
Larne Patrick Free agent December 2008
Shaun Lunt Workington Town December 2008
Joe Walsh Harlequins RL November 2008
Keale Carlile Bradford Bulls December 2008'"
I'd argue that Brett Hodgson was one of Huddersfield's best signings for a very long time.
He also took them back down to 5th after shelling out record money for Brough and also having arguably the best combination of half back in the superleague.....
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"The squad he had last season was hardly amazing, he just got them playing very well. You're doing him an huge disservice there.'"
They finished 6th, 4th and 6th in the previous 3 season, reaching the semi final on all three occasions.... Like i said, he's a great coach to acheive the walking of the league competition but they've been borderline winning a grand final for years!!
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| Quote ="weaver93"So, in your opinion, we have the 3rd best coach in Super League?'"
Not at all.. I'm just saying that i wouldn't swap Agar for those coaches at this given time. I'm still hoping Agar can win his doubters over and prove people wrong and i'm happy to support him in his challenge. If it doesn't work out at the end of his contract then i'll hope for a great replacement.
Contrary to what people believe, a new coach doesn't ALWAYS bring success, it can destabilise a team!!
As i have said, bad management of the past is something we are working to fix over time. Look at Liverpool, No coach in the world can sort that mess out. They need to hit rock bottom before they can be a success!!
We are on the way back up from our rock bottom!!
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