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| Quote ="pmarrow"The thing is Rovers board isn't all that great, they have just profited from our mistakes. Letting Briscoe go, not having Cooke on a signed contract and us not being prepared to offer good money to gain Dobson. I know people say that Tony is better then Briscoe, or Dobson wanted silly money but it don't look too silly now does it with KR sitting pretty in the league.
What we need is to sign a top class scrum half on a 3/4 year contract and build a team around him.'"
Being an ozzie is a massive advantage with overseas recruitment. In addition to having contacts there is also the fact he will know about a range of players. dobson, galea and, to a lesses extent, newton were not big name players yet are performing well for teh dobbins. This, of course, is allied to better coaching than our current incumbants are capable of
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Thing is how many world class 7's are there? Maybe 3 or 4 in the NRL and 1 at best in SL. They are all tied up to their clubs (have a think when was the last world class 7 to move clubs? Probably Scott Prince 3 years ago!). Usually it is about having decent players that can play well then adding a sprinkle of class where you can find it and finally getting a good coach who can pull it all together.
All clubs are on teh same salary cap so it comes down to getting best bang for your $.
You may be waiting a long time if you are waiting to get your hands on a world class 7!'"
We don't need a world class 7, we need a good 7 who can organise the team and who has a good kicking game (and stays fit). With teh best will in the world, dobson isn't a great player, he just does the organisation well, kicks well and his support play is excellent. The fact he is young and manages to get on the field every week is a bonus
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| Quote ="RAB C"Maybe we have but when was the last time we had a world class number 7 '"
Whilst I believe that we cant compete with many clubs when it comes to player recruitment and that our recruitment policy is utter dross, There isnt a single SL club who has a world class 7. The only ones I remember in the SL era are Langer, Johns and Jones. We cant expect a world class 7 becuase the amount of money needed to bring one here would be ridiculous, we just need a good halfback, I think we should look at players with talent and potential on the fringes or even reserve grades of the NRL.
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| Those who say that without our board there would be no club are talking rubbish imo. Whether anyone has tried buying the club or not is irrlevant. If the club was put up for sale it would be much more likely someone would make an offer. Generally in sport, when someone wants to sell a club, they end up been able to sell.
But why would they want to sell? The main reason would be because they don't make enough money. Thats easy to ratify if supporters were committed enough. I wouldnt recommend a boycott but if no one did the lottery, bought merchandise, didnt buy away tickets in advance from the club etc then it would be much harder to make a profit.
Then there are sponsors. If the club has an image that its current board are disliked, that is bad for the club and may effect companies wanting to sponsor.
Theres another way is to scare the board away from the cub but I dont want to talk about that as thats an idea I really dont like, but its an idea none the less.
Boycotts of games are useless. The best protests are inside the ground. I've said it before, but banners etc get the message across, especially on Sky games. You can also have sit ins after the game, either on the pitch or in the stands. I'd definately take part if there was a large protest after the game on the pitch. Also after the game their could be a large protest outside the entrances to the stadium. With enough numbers you could even get up to the directors boxes etc, its not exactly hard to go to them.
At the end of the day, anything that is done would need people leading the way, and making it well publicised. The board may have done good things for the club but they have done bad things too. In 3 of the past 4 season there have been major '...gates', and they are hiring staff who are getting together a crap team on the pitch, and staff who are ruining the potential of our young players, turning some of the top youngsters in the country into average SL players. How many players from the 05/06/07 u21 finals are top players now? How many have become average SL players? How many are now in the lower leagues?
A clubs failure, no matter what it is, always has its roots at board level. Its how the board deals with it that matters and at the moment they are not dealing with the problems at this club, in fact at times they are the problem
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| Quote ="The Key"Those who say that without our board there would be no club are talking rubbish imo. Whether anyone has tried buying the club or not is irrlevant. If the club was put up for sale it would be much more likely someone would make an offer. Generally in sport, when someone wants to sell a club, they end up been able to sell.'"
Offers have been made. A price could not be agreed. If the board wanted to leave, and could not agree a price with a prospective buyer, they could simply call in their debts, cut their losses, and close the club.
This may be unlikely, but it is possible. It would depend on the difference between the highest offer and the amount of cash that could be reclaimed from the defunct club.
You really want to roll those dice? For what? A change of shareholders with no guarantee that the new board would be any better than the old, or that they would have sufficient resources to properly fund the club going forward?
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| Quote ="The Key"Those who say that without our board there would be no club are talking rubbish imo. Whether anyone has tried buying the club or not is irrlevant. If the club was put up for sale it would be much more likely someone would make an offer. Generally in sport, when someone wants to sell a club, they end up been able to sell.'"
one notable exception from the last few months being Newcastle FC.
Given the current financial climate I'd be suprised to see people queueing up to buy Hull from the current board tbh.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"one notable exception from the last few months being Newcastle FC.
Given the current financial climate I'd be suprised to see people queueing up to buy Hull from the current board tbh.'"
Bit of a difference between the £100's of millions asked for a failing football club and a profitable RL club' asking price
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Bit of a difference between the £100's of millions asked for a failing football club and a profitable RL club' asking price'"
A profitable club that apparenbtly still failed to be sold in the not to recent past.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"A profitable club that apparenbtly still failed to be sold in the not to recent past.'"
Failed to sell because the sellers aren't really that interested in selling
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Thing is how many world class 7's are there? Maybe 3 or 4 in the NRL and 1 at best in SL. They are all tied up to their clubs (have a think when was the last world class 7 to move clubs? Probably Scott Prince 3 years ago!). Usually it is about having decent players that can play well then adding a sprinkle of class where you can find it and finally getting a good coach who can pull it all together.
All clubs are on teh same salary cap so it comes down to getting best bang for your $.
You may be waiting a long time if you are waiting to get your hands on a world class 7!'"
Just out of curiousity, who do you see as the world class 7 in SL?
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Just out of curiousity, who do you see as the world class 7 in SL?'"
Dobson of course you fool
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Dobson of course you fool'"
How stupid of me.
In my defence though, he's not in the same league as Thurston, Cronk, Orford etc. He's better.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Offers have been made. A price could not be agreed. If the board wanted to leave, and could not agree a price with a prospective buyer, they could simply call in their debts, cut their losses, and close the club.
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So lets look at what you keep stating.
1, The board would want "their money back"
2, They close the club.
HOW?
The club has £150,000 worth of assets
How do the shareholders "get their money" back?
Would it not be more sensible to keep the club going, cream off the profits, pay themself a nice wage and "consultancy fees"
Because keeping the club "open" would cost them what exactly?
So will we REALLY have no Hull FC? would they really "CLOSE THE CLUB"???
Just give it up with your pathetic statement please
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| Quote ="Chris28"The thing is, passholders have paid so you have to decide if you want to throw the money away. Casual supporters have the choice to pay or not. I'll still go, as I can't afford to waste the money I've already spent.
Unless they'll give me a refund?
'" A mate of mine who lives over in your neck of the woods (Roos). Walked over to Steve McNamara at the recent Celtic game tapped him on the shoulder and gave him his season ticket and said that he couldn't afford to come and watch this shiite anymore so he might have well have his ticket. Then he just walked off McNamra had a stunned look on his face.
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| Quote ="redeverready"A mate of mine who lives over in your neck of the woods (Roos). Walked over to Steve McNamara at the recent Celtic game tapped him on the shoulder and gave him his season ticket and said that he couldn't afford to come and watch this shiite anymore so he might have well have his ticket. Then he just walked off McNamra had a stunned look on his face.'"
Maybe he would have recognised it if it was a hymn sheet?
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"at the moment we are the newcastle united of rugby league.......our team was once feared at the top and now we are a laughing stock and a shambles on the pitch....bad recruitment, bad management on all levels have contributed to this mess and thats just the start ....and it doesnt look like its going to get sorted anytime soon......i for one will not be renewing my pass next season, it is quite simply a waste of my time,effort and cash to watch complete idiocy at board room level and complete rubbish on the pitch....
i feel sorry for the toon army who have watched there team through thick and thin just like us....but it makes me wonder if anyone feels sorry for the faithful...i doubt it....as our board have brought this on thererselves...
the leeds southstanders were taking the p**s last nite as we all heard towards the end which said it all, it is embarrassing at times and deeply hurtful that our club seems destined for oblivion....'"
I think you will regret your decision to not renew your pass next year. If you do that and they have a fairly successful season what would you decide to do eat humble pie and go back and watch them? Your mates might end up taking the mickey out of you. Best to continue the support 'in any kind of weather' and stage a sit in protest , like Warrington did v Cas.Fitzgibbon is a class act , very hard rugby league player a couple of more International players are needed to strengthen the squad along with a clear out of the dead wood.
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| Quote ="redeverready"A mate of mine who lives over in your neck of the woods (Roos). Walked over to Steve McNamara at the recent Celtic game tapped him on the shoulder and gave him his season ticket and said that he couldn't afford to come and watch this shiite anymore so he might have well have his ticket. Then he just walked off McNamra had a stunned look on his face.'"
He should have asked if macca could give him a lift across to save his petrol money
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| Quote ="Basil Fawlty"No he is in SL and they are in the NRL
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In all honesty I don't think we are that far away from being a top side and I think Agar can lead us forward (Sharp is a different stort but I won't go into that). Class scrum half, rough ar5e prop and we have a competetive side imo if everyone is fit.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"So lets look at what you keep stating.
1, The board would want "their money back"
2, They close the club.
HOW?
The club has £150,000 worth of assets
How do the shareholders "get their money" back?
Would it not be more sensible to keep the club going, cream off the profits, pay themself a nice wage and "consultancy fees"
Because keeping the club "open" would cost them what exactly?
So will we REALLY have no Hull FC? would they really "CLOSE THE CLUB"???
Just give it up with your pathetic statement please'"
More money can be realised out of a company than it's fixed assets. Depending on how you go about closing it down and calling in debt, it would be possible to walk away with some of the turnover as well.
I did actually say it was an unlikely scenario. But the poster I was responding to was talking about [iforcing[/i the board out. Under those circumstances common sense could well go out the window. Especially since one method of forcing them out involves turning the club into a loss-making enterprise...
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| Quote ="Kosh"More money can be realised out of a company than it's fixed assets. Depending on how you go about closing it down and calling in debt, it would be possible to walk away with some of the turnover as well.
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What debts could we call in?
And how could the board "realise more" by closing the co in a different way? Which way would you suggest? MVL? CVL? will these different routes "produce" assets?
Go on tell us all
(this is an area of company law i do know a bit about so do think before you start typing thinking you know more than me)
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"What debts could we call in?
And how could the board "realise more" by closing the co in a different way? Which way would you suggest? MVL? CVL? will these different routes "produce" assets?
Go on tell us all
(this is an area of company law i do know a bit about so do think before you start typing thinking you know more than me)'"
I don't think I know more than you - I'm offering an alternative opinion.
If you think we're 100% safe from ever being closed down then fine - nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise. I'm inclined to be more pessimistic having been through a similar scenario with Lloyd. I don't think it's likely as the board stand to make more by keeping the club running, but if they were somehow forced out at a time not of their choosing the risk is there IMO.
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| the clock is ticking and time is running out for them to sort out this mess
I think next weeks game will be one of the lowest home attendances for about 3 years (obviously Saints will bump the number up)
you'd have to be crazy to want to spend £20-23 to go watch it!
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| Quote ="UllFC"the clock is ticking and time is running out for them to sort out this mess
I think next weeks game will be one of the lowest home attendances for about 3 years (obviously Saints will bump the number up)
you'd have to be crazy to want to spend £20-23 to go watch it!'"
It should be the lowest attendance for a few seasons if everyone considers value for money before deciding whether to go. £20-£23 to watch that $hite or spend it elsewhere ?? I know what I'll be doing and I really hope that many others do the same.
Not exactly a "boycott" or anything silly like that but just a natural decline in attendances and income due to the fact that a lot of fans are thoroughly pi$$ed off and will not take it anymore
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| If i didn't have my season pass I wouldn't go on Friday! Like you said, who'd chuck 23 quid down the pan to watch the $hite we serve up week in week out?
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