I couldn't give a flying what you think of me, your opinion of me is pointless and irrelevant.

That Whiting can read the game is also largely irrelevant. As I pointed out, Garry Schofield can still read teh game extremely well, so why not have him in the side, afterall, he is unlikely to be as limited pace wise as Whiting.

Simply put, Whiting is not top 4 standard!

That's just silly and doesn't really add to the debate.

Whiting is fast enough for a forward, not for a back IMO. As squad utility cover his pace is OK. And I'm not sure why you think that the ability to read the game is irrelevant for an RL player.


In your opinion.

For a regular first team player you may well be correct, but as a utility player to cover injuries I'd say he's of a good standard given SC limitations.

May as well stop saying it, the usual Whiting love fest is in full swing, I'm just glad the people running the club and making decisions about signings are a bit more open eyed than the Hovis brigade on here.

All fair comment. In particular I agree he is a 13 and has shown good character and commitment to the team playing out of position in the halves. I would be happy to see him given first shot at loose forward in place of either player you mention. It really is his time to grasp the chance now and fullfil this potential this season. If he reached the standard of Sinfield I would be more than happy.

There is actually a fair few of us trying to take a balanced view. Not sure why this is generating so much heat and light TBH.

I think it's when people try and suggest that he is better than he really is. As you have suggested, he has utility value, but that utility value will also be available in other players coming into the senior squad, and probably at a lower cost than Richard, it will be evidenced at the end of the season if he moves on and where he moves on to.

Admittedly he offers more than GH or TL did, but that is hardly high praise.

Players can be granted testimonials by the RFL - Senior & Gene are prime examples, although i believe these are for a reduced timescale (testimonial events can only run for 4 months). So Radford could do something.

And yes a club can only hold one testimonial a season, but this could be shared by 2 players equally

I think most believe he is a decent utility player who has a CC cup winners medal and a fair bit of SL experience under his belt. He wont be on a big contract. Referring to your earlier post he was signed by the current people running the club so I'm not sure what point you were making there. He is by all accounts a good pro on and off the pitch - something I'm sure you would give credit for. If Turner has a good season I can see Whiting maybe struggling to get a new contract but who knows what will happen.

This forum is all about opinions some have a different one to you, get over it get a life and move on and accept that some people think differently to you

No argument with any of that.

The point is that he was signed for potential, which for a number of reasons hasn't been realised in a specific role, and I imagine the club will allow him to move on if they feel we have a better alternative at the club (which Turner could well become, as may some other junior player)

Indeed, but that isn't a reason to keep a player if they don't actually add anything to the side, which he may not after 2010.



Indeed, it is (as always) if's, but's and maybe's, time will tell.

Obviously. I just wondered what sort of character flaws a person would need to have to become so unpleasant and combative so quickly and without provocation. Small willy, perhaps?



This is a bull argument. Really, really poor effort.



In your opinion. Even if you accept that he is not top 4 standard in one particular position (which I don't necessarily), he is one of the best utility players about. In a salary cap sport, this is an excellent quality to have in any squad.



The same people who extended his contract, then?



So, if he doesn't move on at the end of the season, you'll accept that the 'open eyed' people who run the club are better judges of his ability that you, I suppose?

That will depend on how he has performed during the season, won't it?

Why? If those running the club are so 'open-eyed' their decision as to whether or not they keep Whiting will surely be the right one.

If Whiting has a good season then he may get a new contract, but he will have to have quite a stormer in my opinion.

but the only way you will know is by reading how he did in the Hull Daily Mail !!

Washy is a plodder with a very predictable step that all of SL have worked out now and very little else but still young enough to improve, where as Whiting continues to pull out the bag decent stuff that gives us go forward, good defense and great hands, not world class but with the restraints of Salary cap he is a very very good squad member hence why all recent coaches have kept him through thick and thin!!
At the end of this season lets see who between the two are offered a new contract !!

A lot of people are saying he is not world class - I don't think we';e had a true chance to judge because he hasn't had a decent run in one spot. Admittedly, it's unlikely he will get such a run with the other players we have at second row, but come a few injuries and who knows? Then we can judge fairly.

your obsession is becoming boring

on one hand you say your not bothered what folk say, but if they make comment about your posts or your first hand knowledge your there like a rabid dog!!
Chill out man , just not letting the facts get in the way as you said

Which 2 are you referring to? I hope it's not Washy vs Whiting for a contract as Whiting wouldn't have time to put his shoes on before he was kicked out! The point I'm trying to make with this thread is that with the signing of Turner and the squad formation is Whiting needed? IMO no, because he doesn't offer enough to justify the sort of contract he should be looking for at his age at our club. He's not better than Hall, Yeaman and Briscoe in the centres, he's not as good as Fitz and Washy at 13, he's not as good as Horne and Washy at 6, and we have a lot better 2nd row options with Manu, Lauaki, Tickle, Radford, Fitz, Burnett.
All this without even mentioning Turner who i've left out so I can judge on this season.

Like you say, doubtfull he will get an extended run due to the quality and pay packets in front of him on the playing rosta however as we all know the season pans out in strange ways and the best battle plan of the coaching staff will only last until the end of the first game then the juggling starts, one thing is for sure though RW looks ripped this year and has worked hard off season and by his own admission does not intend to be a utility player this season, and by all accounts has gone really well in pre season too ..
What a nice issue to have for a change though huh! rather than who can we get on loan like recently

Maybe because people do tend to single him out just because he's honest with his opinion and straight to the point.

Or maybe it's something else.

as you say ... in your opinion!!
based on what I saw last year and giving an honest appraisal, he is way above Yeaman based on last term who was quite frankly awful last year, and we have no idea how he would go at 13 as his stints in the pack have lasted mere minutes so its a mute point , as for playing him at 6 again we will never know till he gets a run out there will we...
as i said he will get many chances to impress this season because injuries will dictate that I have no doubt
With regards Turner I am excited by his arrival I have to say

The point about reading the game is a simple one. I would be tremedously disappointed in ANY player who couldn't read the game, especially a player who is at 6. If thats the main selling point, then how is that different to any other 6. I would also expect a centre to be about to read when to jump the line and when to run the angles. If thats the only real plus point, its hardly going to be a game breaker expecially when he has limited pace.

As for being a forward, can't argue with that, but realistically is he really going to get in to our side when we are already overflowing with backrowers.

For a player signed back in 2004 he hasn't been able to make a first team shirt his own. Injuries have not helped. I have no idea how much he earns, but in his 7th season, he won't be on peanuts.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing, but with Raynor now gone, it would have been interesting to see if the SC freed up along with the salary of another squad player could have been enough to attract a centre of real quality. Something we have been missing for 3 seasons now.