Conversely Millers probably thinking what the fook have I let myself in for here.


Lets all start slating him because that worked well with our last overseas half-back.
This ones only a kid though so be might crack a bit easier

I've seen nothing from him in attack and his defense is appalling,he may get better,but will need to improve vastly from where he is now.

Time will tell,but I think we've bought another dud.

P.S. If he was any good,would an NRL side let a 20 year old scrum half come to England.

He's supposed to be getting protected in defence by Ellis and Yeaman and in attack by Holdsworth.

Some of our senior players have been woeful.

But he can't tackle apparently.

If our players ran lines it would give Miller someone to pass to. Miler attacks the line and is by far our best passer of a ball.

Horne & Miller need to be our halves next year.

I feel sorry for Miller, being thrown into that shower.
He's the only one with any sort of spark, and he's been let down by the senior pros big time. Same as Wests really, poor kid!.

Miller is often labelled a headless chicken, which at times might be true, but when you watch properly you can see that it's often very similar for Heremaia. They take the line on, look round, and usually find themselves alone. It's not always their fault, they're doing their bit.

Ellis' try last week.

Ps. Dobson

With a fully fit linham, crooks, arundel(in for yeamo) and a new winger(biggs!) our 3/4 dont look too bad. Even our halves can do a decent job i think IF our forwards can get on top of other teams. This is where our recruitment looks sadly lacking for next season! I'm guessing Gentles plan is whiting at 13, ellis and westy in 2nd row. Tompson takes whitings bench role as 2nd row interchange/utility man, pea and feka as impact props with azza rotating for houghton off the bench. Watts and AN Other as starting props (seems like maybe Walker). simply dont think this this is any way strong enough pack!
Also, where would this leave the likes of green, bowden, johnson, pitts, as well as yongsters like tyson-wilson? In my opinion far too many 'squad' players and a distinct lack of real quality up front. until we get a bigger, better, more agreesive pack, the ongoing debate about our halves is almost irrelevant.

It's why Houghton hardly ever gets any tries, Lunt tonight was superb in this respect.

we are too predictable in attack and easy to defend against. When they attacked, they were deep and spread wide across the pitch, we were in a straight line, 5 yards behind the ball, bunched together.

Less said about the'drop off' the better.

Miller may or may not ultimately be good enough at this level but to judge that now would be wrong. He has a massive learning curve and is miles from the required finished article but anyone expecting anything different from a reserve grade junior at this stage needs to realign their expectations. My disappointment is not with Miller but with Hull FC's failure to sign Rangi Chase who if nothing else would have provided something entirely different and sold some season passes. I think it's a straight failure of our administrators that we couldn't get him despite a very public attempt whereas Salford could snap him up without issue. To me that's as embarrassing as last night's performance.

In fairness to our administrators, the visa requirements changed between our attempt and Salford's. Chase's personal circumstances may also have been different - sometimes small details make a big difference. Where I [iam[/i disappointed with them is in not keeping a weather eye on Chase and spotting the opportunity that Salford successfully exploited.

Fair comment.

The problem when we tried to sign Chase was he wouldn't apply for a new visa (not in really sure why he wouldn't) and the legal dispute between two agents about who exactly represented him.

There were obviously problems but nevertheless we failed to land him and subsequently failed to act again when it was clearly possible to close the deal. When you extend that out to our general recruitment strategy then there's failure off the field as well as on it in the big picture.

there is a thing called a salary cap and given the numbers quoted when we tried signing him do you honestly think we have that amount available to be able to sign him..

From last night I think we would only want to keep Shaul

and er, well er, um

I don't know our salary cap position any more than anyone else does apart from Tony Sutton and a few others in the club. Looking at the senior players we have leaving there might have been some room for manoeuvre next season. The signing of Miller would be the most likely reason why we didn't/couldn't pursue Chase again. I think my point was that there always seems to be something that prevents us doing what's required to lift the club to the next level. If we have a full cap and are losing by record scores in play offs whilst at full cap then my point about recruitment/off field performance being below standard is bolstered if anything.

Now that Tickle has gone we may have seen the last of that

You think so ? We over-did it for sure with Tickle but I guarantee you there'll be multiple plays like it in tonight's game and all the remaining ones this season.

Unfortunately that's the problem with having to work within the confines of a salary cap

Some clubs seem much better at it than us though - looked at Saints recruitment for next year ? They've strengthened with quality players in every area that we needed to IMO. Proof that it can be done well despite having a limit on how much players can be paid.

A bit easier for Saint's to get players in all honesty.

Possibly so - but it's the job of the well paid senior staff at the club to change that. My point is that we haven't been very good in this area - it's not just the coaching/on-field issues that are causing the overall underachievement.