Our 4 all renewed today. Kids ones won’t be fully utilised but for the greater good.

Hope you are right on that if we can push 10k passes again that would be great which after winning two challenge cups back to back the club fully deserves it.

I reckon some might have traded a pass for the Oz trip of a lifetime.

£250 for a season ticket doesn't make a dent in a trip to Australia though so I cant see those that are going not renewing for that reason.
I still think not having the whole of the East stand for home supporters and Friday night games is having an impact on attendances, not hugely for the former but the latter more so.
Took nephew, mater and brother to a game last year and there were supposedly no seats left together either reserved/unreserved in East, bought 3 in East and one in South, turned out there was space after-all so I casually walked into East to sit with them but some families who want to go on the odd occasion will be put off with not being able to get into East. I realise they have the family section in West corner but it really isn't the same atmosphere at all.

As for the Friday/Sunday thing, I hear so many fans not just out of town but residing in Hull wanting to go back to Sunday games, turning up on a Thursday/Friday night in the middle of winter (yes Feb/March is still winter in Hull) is really not pleasant at all, at least with an afternoon game the temperatures will be higher plus the bonus of not being tight for fans who work certain hours that make it difficult to attend.

For us out of towners it's a real drag, I end up just making it a 3-4 day visit for the 6-7 home games I get to.
Is there no chance of changing, could the club poll the fans?

We switched to mainly Sunday games in 2012 and 9 out of the 13 attendances dropped from the previous season. Sunday games will not give a boost to attendances. People have other things to do on a Sunday especially in summer.

A poll would be pointless as there wouldn't be an overwhelming preference either way, the club will never please everyone. Attendances have risen for each of the last two seasons so I'd leave things as they are.

If everyone had to switch to Sunday other than the contracted Sky Thurs/Friday games then in my opinion gates would increase.
It would also encourage more fans to travel to away games rather than having to endure traffic delays on the motorways.

I tend to agree. If all games were sunday except TV matches I think attendances would grow.

That said, Friday nights do allow people to have family time on a sunday (which from a personal perspective allows me to have a few jars on a Friday night

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The club prefers Friday over Sunday for corporate sales. It's hard to get corporate guests interested in Sunday matches.

After the sh ite that Agar had served up it's no wonder the fans stayed away the following season,
But here is a comparison, and you reckon even after a CC win and our best season in 30+ years Fridays aren't having a detrimental effect?
2017 first, 2012 second.
Catalans 13,554 (1st H game +£2.50 ticket giveaway, back of winning CC) v 10,765
Saints 11,587 v 11,727
Widnes 10,814 v 10,705
Salford 11,016 v 10,776
Leeds 15,487 (Easter Friday instead of the derby match) v 11,667 (Sat)
Cas 12,801 (high flying Cas) v 11,607
Warry 10,734 v 12,710 (1st H game of season)
Leigh 10,222 v 10,096 (London)
Wigan 10,333 v 11,549
Wakey 10,895 v 11,105
Hudds 11.467 v 11,142
Avg 11,719 v 11,259

Given the circumstances for the start of the 2012 season to where we were at the start of the 2017 season that is a fairly shocking set of attendance figures given we supposedly sold a record number of season tickets.

Dont believe that at all.Its all about marketing and the product.
Get the product right then the marketing becomes easier.
In any case i believe the extra away fans from most clubs coming over for Sunday games would easily pay for any loss of corporate revenue.
Lets get back to Sunday matches,ditch Thursday night sky matches when re negotiating TV rights and offer the BBC/ITV the chance to air a Sunday afternoon game nationally at 18.00 (not live) when there is nothing else on TV and people might tune in

Yeah, good luck with that.

Need more than luck!

If I was a business man, I would much rather extend my working day on a Friday to take in the game/do the corporate thing rather than use up a precious weekend day, especially if I wasn't an ardent fan.
Personally I much prefer a Friday night, even living in Cas, because it then frees up the rest of the weekend. As a runner, races tend to be Sundays so it's great knowing I can book onto them without rugby clashes. You also have families who can do things on a weekend because they got the rugby out of the way on Friday evening. Add to all that the lack of worrying about game changes for Sky and short turnarounds, I think Friday is here to stay whether we like it or not.

best way to raise attendences would be to dump sky and play every match on the same day.sky aren't interested in spectators who actually attend games.

And if we dump sky, what will all the fans be turning up to watch? There will be no players, as SKY pay the players wages effectively!

Yup, let’s go back to racist chants, flat caps, whippets, players working as brickies and plumbers, few women or kids at games, kicking off at 3:15 on a Sunday to suit the working man, hell, let’s move it all back to Winter, promote Keighly, Whitehaven and Halifax, not because they’re good enough, just for a bit of nostalgia.

yes the good old days,when we had a reserve league and part time players had more skill and flair in one finger than the current crop.

It's not that the current flock have little flair or skill, but they are up against big humans, and structured defence. Look at the old games and the tries scored, flair players running around fat lumps of forwards, too unfit to get into the defensive line (broad generalisation!)

Yes, good old days, fighting at games, racial hatred, tribal passion sold as “support”, coal strikes, 3 day week, it was SO much better!

Now now guys don't mock fosdyke99.
I've just swapped back to black and white tv and had an outside toilet installed at the bottom of my garden and everynight I turn my tv off at midnight whilst getting my partner to hum loudly in a monotone voice, ah the good old days.
Feel rather foolish now for renewing my pass, bl00dy professional athletes and summer rugby who needs it?

So your singular view speaks for all corporates? People who cycle tend to do their events/rides in the morning on a Sunday or indeed whatever day, your avg serious Sunday cyclist is likely to be a corporate/above avg earner, is your avg runner?

The families that don't attend in as great a number can't often afford both in any case so your point is moot, also a choice between a cold Thurs/Fri in darkness (for much of the season) on a school night and/or following a heavy school/work week rushing to get dinner sorted etc or a game day that can be 10-15C warmer, in the day and far less pressed time wise is far more conducive for families and also is far more likely to encourage away fans to travel in greater numbers.

Not polling the fans and indeed other clubs seems to me to be lacking in doing everything to find out what is best for the majority/increase numbers. Currently even on the back of two great seasons the numbers are barely above the 2012 season which followed the Agar years, so frankly the Friday 'experiment' is simply not working.

Serious question, how do you manage to walk with that giant chip on your shoulder??



I never once suggested that my views were the views of everyone, please show me where I did. I was simply offering a personal view on why I prefer Friday evenings.

Our "standard" game day is now Friday, if people don't like it then they can vote with their feet... You can't please everyone, and in knockers case, it seems he can't be pleased at all!

Seriously Bumpy what is your problem?? No where has Karen suggested even in the slightest her view is even remotely speaking for one and all. Its not difficult to grasp it is entirely her personal view on the matter.

Personally for me I used to prefer the Sunday games but nowadays with demands of family & work life I find Friday nights are much better for me and my family. Yes sometimes its a bit of a rush on a night but find after a hard day at work a Friday night game is the perfect tonic to unwind. Also last time I checked Friday nights weren't school nights?

I don't like Thursday night games however the game is reliant on big money so we as fans have to accept that the same as football fans aren't keen on Monday night games but money talks.

On the Corporate issue it is far more beneficial financially for clubs to have home games on a Friday as it is much easier for companies to have events attended on Friday than over a weekend and I am speaking as someone who has done this with my company. Many of our clients when invited for a Saturday or Sunday fixture were less likely to attend compared to a Friday night as their weekends were taken up with other commitments etc.

The revenue & business the Corporate's bring in is essential to the future of the club and whether we like it or not outweighs the loss of some of the the attendance which has shown to negligible when looked at in comparison previously IIRC.

As someone who enjoyed Sunday games a few years back if I had the chance to vote I would now vote for Friday night every time as 'FOR ME' I actually prefer it once I got the traditional argument out my head and actually realised once I tried it that it was more beneficial to me both personally, as a family and as a business.

Also with regards to away fans it wouldn't make much difference at all what day of the week or time it was on as the sad fact is that the opposition fans very rarely travel past Leeds as ours and Rovers attendances of visiting fans show. Even if free tickets were made available it would make little difference, the question is why? Both the Hull clubs fans manage to travel in big numbers but sadly other teams simply don't.

What are you on about, what chip

YOU came out with "If I was a business man etc" that imlies that your way of thinking is representative, otherwise why come out and say it? You then went on to say that runners like to run on a Sunday as reasons why Sundays are not good, I simply countered that, you know like an open forum is intended to be, a place for discussion.