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| Quote ="Roverswall"I dont think there is anything 'so bad' but the problem looking in from the outside is that there is a distinct lack of consistancy.
E.g Hall gets droped first chance there is and gets loaned out where as others are just patted on the head when they play as bad and are still in the team the next week.'"
correct, and thats becuause they are the apparently so called "untouchables"
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| Quote ="major black"Don't get me wrong I like Hall but I believe he'll never make a first choice SL player not bad back up but nothing more. I think he should stay at Widnes or a top NL1 side.'"
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I dont think there is anything 'so bad' but the problem looking in from the outside is that there is a distinct lack of consistancy.
E.g Hall gets droped first chance there is and gets loaned out where as others are just patted on the head when they play as bad and are still in the team the next week.'"
This isn't a one bad game thing mate he's been in and around the first team for a few years now and after a promising start he hasn't kicked on.
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| Quote ="HULLMAD"correct, and thats becuause they are the apparently so called "untouchables"
'" Before I say this I have heard nothing and belive it when I see it but with all that I have said in this thread can anyone blame him if he did decide to find a new club?
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| Quote ="major black"This isn't a one bad game thing mate he's been in and around the first team for a few years now and after a promising start he hasn't kicked on.'" I watch Super league every week and I have yet to see Chris Thorman be anything but god awful poor when you are on SKY!
That was the point I was making it seems to be wrong rule for 1 and all that.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Before I say this I have heard nothing and belive it when I see it but with all that I have said in this thread can anyone blame him if he did decide to find a new club?'"
i wouldnt blame him at all, but obviously hope he returns to HULL FC a better player in the future.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I dont think there is anything 'so bad' but the problem looking in from the outside is that there is a distinct lack of consistancy.
E.g Hall gets droped first chance there is and gets loaned out where as others are just patted on the head when they play as bad and are still in the team the next week.'"
Garbage. Hall has played 42 SL games for Hull. He's had some nightmares this season, and last year also for that matter. That's hardly "dropping him at the first opportunity".
In terms of the other underperforming players, I take it you are referring to Thorman. We have no other scrum halves in the squad. We've tried Berro there but he is playing with injections and Agar prefers to rotate him from the bench. The other alternative is to move Horne to 7 and play Washbrook at 6, but he's out for weeks with injury. From a club that has given one game in total to Watts, Spaven and Esders this year your criticism of our unwillingness to field Hall is a tad hypocritical.
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| Quote ="major black"Don't get me wrong I like Hall but I believe he'll never make a first choice SL player not bad back up but nothing more. I think he should stay at Widnes or a top NL1 side.'"
Craig Hall WILL be playing SL but it probably won't be with Hull FC. He would be pretty much first choice at any SL club bar maybe Saints and Leeds.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Garbage. Hall has played 42 SL games for Hull. He's had some nightmares this season, and last year also for that matter. That's hardly "dropping him at the first opportunity".
In terms of the other underperforming players, I take it you are referring to Thorman. We have no other scrum halves in the squad. We've tried Berro there but he is playing with injections and Agar prefers to rotate him from the bench. The other alternative is to move Horne to 7 and play Washbrook at 6, but he's out for weeks with injury. From a club that has given one game in total to Watts, Spaven and Esders this year your criticism of our unwillingness to field Hall is a tad hypocritical.
'" You constantly looking for an arguement is quiet tiresome.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Craig Hall WILL be playing SL but it probably won't be with Hull FC. He would be pretty much first choice at any SL club bar maybe Saints and Leeds.'"
Centre or wing? Gwilym thinks he is a winger.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Centre or wing? Gwilym thinks he is a winger.'"
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| Quote ="Roverswall"You constantly looking for an arguement is quiet tiresome.'"
You said that we dropped Hall at the first opportunity. I said he's had 42 of them. You implied we should drop Thorman. I said we've limited alternatives due to injury. The bit about Rovers' tokenist approach to homegrown squad players could be construed as looking for an argument, I agree.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I watch Super league every week and I have yet to see Chris Thorman be anything but god awful poor when you are on SKY!
That was the point I was making it seems to be wrong rule for 1 and all that.'"
Yeah he's been pretty terrible most of this season but I'll take your point if we resign him.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You said that we dropped Hall at the first opportunity. I said he's had 42 of them. You implied we should drop Thorman. I said we've limited alternatives due to injury. The bit about Rovers' tokenist approach to homegrown squad players could be construed as looking for an argument, I agree.
'" That was a tounge in cheek comment but there still seems to be double standards.
As for the Thorman situation if you think he is unreplacable then good for you.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Craig Hall WILL be playing SL but it probably won't be with Hull FC. He would be pretty much first choice at any SL club bar maybe Saints and Leeds.'"
Don't know what you base that on when even in the reserve games i've seen he's been pretty average.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You said that we dropped Hall at the first opportunity. I said he's had 42 of them. You implied we should drop Thorman. I said we've limited alternatives due to injury. The bit about Rovers' tokenist approach to homegrown squad players could be construed as looking for an argument, I agree.
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| Quote ="major black"Don't know what you base that on when even in the reserve games i've seen he's been pretty average.'"
The standard is so poor that Lockyer would look ordinary in reserve garde at the moment. If Craig scored six tries, made three and kicked nine goals, but missed a tackle.........my guess is you'd harp on about the missed tackle.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista" From a club that has given one game in total to Watts, Spaven and Esders this year your criticism of our unwillingness to field Hall is a tad hypocritical.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"The standard is so poor that Lockyer would look ordinary in reserve garde at the moment. If Craig scored six tries, made three and kicked nine goals, but missed a tackle.........my guess is you'd harp on about the missed tackle.
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Not at all the kid has got ability but that doesn't make up for his inconsistencies I would love for him to find a position and make it his own but after a few seasons of trying he still seems nowhere near. You could say that about a few of them on the FC payroll but thats for another thread.
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| Quote ="major black"Not at all the kid has got ability but that doesn't make up for his inconsistencies I would love for him to find a position and make it his own but after a few seasons of trying he still seems nowhere near. You could say that about a few of them on the FC payroll but thats for another thread.'"
Fair enough.
His position is centre.............remind me how many times he has played there this season.
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| He hasn't I know but he has had opportunities in the past and as ive already stated he's had a couple of good games followed bt a couple stinkers.
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| Has potential,certainly,has shown in patches how good he could be.Not consistent enough for me and it doesnt matter what position you play him in I still dont believe he can make it at the top level.
Would be a very good NL1 player but too inconsistent for SL IMO.Mind you he isnt the only one at the club that the same could be said of.Lets face it we need a clear out and quick and Hall isnt the only one.The only reason the team from over the river would be interested in him is that they think they would be getting another one over us,if he has agreed terms with them then I think it would be our turn to laugh at them for once as they would be getting a average player at best...
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You said that we dropped Hall at the first opportunity. I said he's had 42 of them. You implied we should drop Thorman. I said we've limited alternatives due to injury. The bit about Rovers' tokenist approach to homegrown squad players could be construed as looking for an argument, I agree.
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Different positions.
Its all about man management. He can run like the wind we agree on. He just needs a hand on shoulder to point him in the right direction .
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| Quote ="major black"He hasn't I know but he has had opportunities in the past and as ive already stated he's had a couple of good games followed bt a couple stinkers.'"
Thats what happens when you play players out of position too often. Ask Justin
Nobody knows whether his so called 'defensive frailties' and 'positional awareness' has imporved from last season because he hasn't had the chance to prove it in his natural position.
Instead he has a couple of nightmares in an unfamiliar position and is despatched to the reserves. If Agar prefers Horne and Whiting at centre and Boughton on the wing and now it seems Jordan Turner then let Craig go to another club. The British game is short of quality in the middle backs and its bordering on criminal as to why this kid hasn't had the chance to play in what is clearly his best position this season.
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| Quote ="HULLMAD"correct, and thats becuause they are the apparently so called "untouchables"
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no its because hull have a team full of people who can cover centre (ie halls position) and second row yet little cover in most other posiitons
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