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| Quote ="Robbo4"Anyone looking at that would be more than justified in thinking the system is bent. Both incidents are against the same team 1 week apart. In the Wigan incident the players all appeal and a penalty and sin bin follow. In the Hull incident not a single player appeals for anything and a penalty isn't given. Wigan incident no resulting ban. Hull incident is a 2 match ban.
The level of incompetence is just astounding.'"
you can add to that the castleford coach coming out and backing paea as well. i also agree with the comment about the tansey ban - ridiculous decision
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"It does Chris, it is a massive flaw in protecting players, whilst allowing the game to retain its physical nature. If Paea had come in from the other side, he would have been cleared as the video is inconclusive. [u You know my thoughts based on last year [/u- I came home with a players blood on my shirt when an off the ball happened right in front of me where I was stood on the touchline; but because it wasn't on the dvd it was NFA.'"
indeed and rightly so.
I'm going to count the number of similar tackles in the televised games this week and see how many of them get two match bans. Sad, I know, but the game is becoming a farce entirely because of the governing body.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Without doubt as the sentence that followed confirmed.'"
I totally agree with you. When you continually see the trend of the same clubs receiving different treatment, it's hard to interpret it any other way.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Anyone looking at that would be more than justified in thinking the system is bent. Both incidents are against the same team 1 week apart. In the Wigan incident the players all appeal and a penalty and sin bin follow. =#0000BFIn the Hull incident not a single player appeals for anything and a penalty isn't given. Wigan incident no resulting ban. Hull incident is a 2 match ban.
The level of incompetence is just astounding.'"
Exactly. If it had been a bad tackle worthy of a two match ban, you would expect at least one Cas player to react in some way.
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| Unfortunately its been the same for as long as I can remember. If Paea had made that same tackle a week before a cup final he would have been cleared. Bowen was cleared purely to allow him to play in the WCC. We had Poore banned for 2 matches for a punch yet Morley nutted and threw a punch and never even went to red hall, the lack of consistency is shocking.
The other thing with the retrospective banning is who does it actually benefit, certainly not the team who had the offence committed against them. In televised games the ref should use the VR / big screen to make sending off decisions, thought the ref in the Wales Scotland RU game was spot on the other week, he yellowed a guy for a head high, watched the replay and called him back and gave a red.
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| I watched it earlier and I couldn't believe it. A mate next door called in for 5 minutes and I showed him it. He's Red and White through and through and he had to watch it three times as he couldn't see anything in it.
We already know it but i'll reiterate it - the RFL are bent.
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| I am absolutely baffled by this. Looks like a nothing challenge and had to watch the clip a few times to try and see what was wrong with it.
Comparing it to the Flowers incident just makes it worse. It's the exact same challenge but Paea gets a completely different punishment? Makes no sense at all.
I thought the RFL was pretty incompetent before this but they've just managed to sink to a whole new level. Bravo RFL, bravo!
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| The sad thing about this decision and others like it is that it emmbarreses the sport. Many years ago we were held up for discipline and how we dealt with offences. Those days have gone.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Exactly. If it had been a bad tackle worthy of a two match ban, you would expect at least one Cas player to react in some way.'"
Indeed.
And it seems there is some reaction to the Flower tackle which proves it was worse and he ended up getting penalised and sin-binned
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| Quote ="barham red"The other thing with the retrospective banning is who does it actually benefit, certainly not the team who had the offence committed against them. '"
Absolutely. The Elima one against us is a prime example. A disgusting attack on Azza's leg, gets a penalty and on report at the time. Elima banned for 4 games, none of which we benefit from.
TBH Football has this right to a certain extent. Red card is given, perhaps in the heat of the moment, that can be, and often is, rescinded after examination by the ref. The team that the foul is against gains some benefit (as there is likely to have been a foul at some point), not the teams due up next. On report is still a massive cop out that benefits nobody
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| Only thing i see is that Paea hits below the knee and flowers above the knee. That tackle is not allowed in the NRL now, although never saw anything about Super League.
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| Details of the appeal [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5069here[/url.
Touch rugby anyone?
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| Quote ="ccs"Details of the appeal [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5069here[/url.
Touch rugby anyone?'"
Having read the findings I would put it up alongside Shakespeare as a wonderful work of fiction. They really are clueless and the sooner some of these jumped up ex-players are shown the door, the better for all of us.
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| If you ignore all other cases and take it on this tackle only they've got it right.
Consistency is all we need.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"If you ignore all other cases and take it on this tackle only they've got it right.
Consistency is all we need.'"
I'm not sure I agree. I think the fact that the player is purposefully driving his legs forward should allow a defender to tackle that player around the legs to prevent the forward motion. If the attacker is being held stationary that would be a different matter.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I'm not sure I agree. I think the fact that the player is purposefully driving his legs forward should allow a defender to tackle that player around the legs to prevent the forward motion. If the attacker is being held stationary that would be a different matter.'"
I also disagree. It's a text book tackle that doesn't carry anymore danger than any other type of tackle. If its such a dangerous tackle why wasn't Flower charged when his tackle was deemed dangerous enough for a sin binning? I could easily go through all the games this weekend and find dozens of similar tackles that won't get charged. It's pathetic.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I also disagree. It's a text book tackle that doesn't carry anymore danger than any other type of tackle. If its such a dangerous tackle why wasn't Flower charged when his tackle was deemed dangerous enough for a sin binning? I could easily go through all the games this weekend and find dozens of similar tackles that won't get charged. It's pathetic.'"
In fact I've just seen 2 worse "cannonball" tackles in the first 2 sets of the wigan vs wire game and no mention of them at all.
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| So in the Wigan v Warrington game Scott Taylor has gone in low as third man twice in the first minute. Let's see what happens about that. Oh it's Wigan therefore nothing.
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| Going to busy at Red Hall next week. Oh hang on wire v wigan forget that.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I'm not sure I agree. I think the fact that the player is purposefully driving his legs forward should allow a defender to tackle that player around the legs to prevent the forward motion. If the attacker is being held stationary that would be a different matter.'"
There'd be no problem with him wrapping up the legs. He does dive in a bit for a hit though, and it seems to be something they want to clamp down on. By itself, harsh but not ridiculous. Well not if he'd taken his EGP, but that's a different argument.
I agree with Sheldon - somebody else will do something similar (or worse) and it'll go unpunished. Spin, spin, spin the wheel of justice...
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| Quote ="Robbo4"In fact I've just seen 2 worse "cannonball" tackles in the first 2 sets of the wigan vs wire game and no mention of them at all.'"
Spotted them too
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"There'd be no problem with him wrapping up the legs. He does dive in a bit for a hit though, and it seems to be something they want to clamp down on. By itself, harsh but not ridiculous. Well not if he'd taken his EGP, but that's a different argument.
I agree with Sheldon - somebody else will do something similar (or worse) and it'll go unpunished. Spin, spin, spin the wheel of justice...
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The guys legs are moving. What should he do ask him if he minds hanging on while he gracefully kneels down and hugs his legs? Do me a favour he hardly got up a head of steam and crashed in.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"The guys legs are moving. What should he do ask him if he minds hanging on while he gracefully kneels down and hugs his legs? Do me a favour he hardly got up a head of steam and crashed in.'"
As I say, it was harsh. But he goes off his feet and dives in. The bending down to hug legs is clearly what they're trying to encourage. player welfare is important and they are vulnerable in that situation. I think Paea is a bit unlucky to get done, when others won't. And 2 games certainly comes across as 'making an example'. It didn't look malicious.
Knowing what they're like, and that this is something they're focusing on, having been put on a charge the risk of 2 games probably outweighed the chance of a not guilty. An EGP (maybe with an appeal to [idowngrade[/i) would have been the politic manoeuvre. Wise with hindsight, perhaps.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"As I say, it was harsh. But he goes off his feet and dives in. The bending down to hug legs is clearly what they're trying to encourage. player welfare is important and they are vulnerable in that situation. I think Paea is a bit unlucky to get done, when others won't. And 2 games certainly comes across as 'making an example'. It didn't look malicious.
Knowing what they're like, and that this is something they're focusing on, having been put on a charge the risk of 2 games probably outweighed the chance of a not guilty. An EGP (maybe with an appeal to [idowngrade[/i) would have been the politic manoeuvre. Wise with hindsight, perhaps.'"
What's been discussed isn't rugby league. I'm glad they're protecting the players but has to be some actual sense. A man has to be able to tackle a man still moving. For me he goes in at his back side when he 1st goes to tackle and ends low.
Seen a few in tonight's game
Both flower tackles are worse. Against the same opposition at the same ground! Only a week before! That's just bent!!!
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