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| Quote ="Standee"Indeed, SOME, but not the number Sharp does in a game.'"
good wingers do more, poor wingers do less, sharp is a workaholic and will run all day for the good of the team, good wingers work hard for their packs...
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| Quote ="Standee"Indeed, SOME, but not the number Sharp does in a game.'"
Surely if he's doing more work that's a good thing?
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"good wingers do more, poor wingers do less, sharp is a workaholic and will run all day for the good of the team, good wingers work hard for their packs...'"
Most successful sides have hardworking back three's. Two examples would be Wigan and St George.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Most successful sides have hardworking back three's. Two examples would be Wigan and St George.'"
Uh oh, you've done it! Not allowed to say "back three" anymore! I got my head bitten off!
Quote ="mikegreen673"In 40 years watching, playing and coaching i've never heard anyone refer to full back and wingers as the back 3, so thats a new one on me. I can see them being a back 3 when opposition kick the ball deep from their own half as both wingers sometomes drop back.
It refers to the back 3 in a scrum tommy, ie second rowers and loose forward.'"
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Most successful sides have hardworking back three's. Two examples would be Wigan and St George.'"
BUT ITS NOT THEIR JOB MATE
they just do it for fun i guess
all the sucessful clubs have hard working backs that get involved in each six, ours work very hard indeed and sharp especially for a light fella , very brave lad indeed
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Most successful sides have hardworking back three's. Two examples would be Wigan and St George.'"
The most successful side's have back three's who have quality all round games (defence/offence)....just because you work hard does not guarantee you a game with Wigan
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"The most successful side's have back three's who have quality all round games (defence/offence)....just because you work hard does not guarantee you a game with Wigan
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Of course you have quality but you also need a work ethic. Wingers helping out on plays 1 & 2 is vital to the forwards as is the fullback returning it well from kicks. The Dragons ooze class, especially Morris on the wing but he also works really hard doing the tough stuff.
The back three (oops Tommy) are vital cogs for teams these days.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Of course you have quality but you also need a work ethic. Wingers helping out on plays 1 & 2 is vital to the forwards as is the fullback returning it well from kicks. The Dragons ooze class, especially Morris on the wing but he also works really hard doing the tough stuff.
The back three (oops Tommy) are vital cogs for teams these days.'"
So you feel confident when you see Sharp attempting to drive from insied our own 20?
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| Quote ="Standee"So you feel confident when you see Sharp attempting to drive from insied our own 20?'"
why does he make many mistakes with ball in hand when driving from [uinsied[/u our 20 then?
he spills the odd ball like all players at all clubs do but generally he is safe as anyone with ball in hand so dont see the point you make here??
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"why does he make many mistakes with ball in hand when driving from [uinsied[/u our 20 then?
he spills the odd ball like all players at all clubs do but generally he is safe as anyone with ball in hand so dont see the point you make here??'"
the point I am making is that we often give up the ball when we take the wrong options in our own 20, to my mind the forward should be getting us to the half way line, it's just an opinion.
oh, and good work pointing out the spelling mistake, do you feel big and clever now?
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| Quote ="Standee"So you feel confident when you see Sharp attempting to drive from insied our own 20?'"
No reason not to. He hardly ever drops the ball and often makes good yards, then Briscoe takes a run and the forwards have had a breather and not hard to come back as far hopefully.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"No reason not to. He hardly ever drops the ball and often makes good yards, then Briscoe takes a run and the forwards have had a breather and not hard to come back as far hopefully.'"
Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.
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| Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'"
I know what you mean but that is often not possible from a long kick down field. It has to be the back three on the first/second tackle usually.
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| 12. Fitzgibbon if he stays
13. Westerman
Hame to go and his money put towards a half,
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| Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'"
But that is not practical from kick returns, which is normally the only time that Sharp does take it in. Forwards cant rush back, after doing the tackles in the defensive set, to get to a position where the can run on to the ball at pace - not possible.
For my rugby team, every kick return (unless we make a break from the initial return) is a 'Rabbit' set - which is, winger, centre full back from one side take scoots alternate ways. Then when the forwards have had their breather they are back in a position to contribute to the set.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"But that is not practical from kick returns, which is normally the only time that Sharp does take it in. Forwards cant rush back, after doing the tackles in the defensive set, to get to a position where the can run on to the ball at pace - not possible.
For my rugby team, every kick return (unless we make a break from the initial return) is a 'Rabbit' set - which is, winger, centre full back from one side take scoots alternate ways. Then when the forwards have had their breather they are back in a position to contribute to the set.'"
With respect, your team aren't earning £80k a season each. It's frustrating watching our lot meander back into position and hardly ever rushing to form a scrum.
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| So you expect a forward to turn around & back track 40-50m within a few seconds, get set & stand deep enough to take it up with pace on the 1st I don't know of many forwards who could actually physically do that never mind actually calculating its effectiveness comparatively to a decent winger taking it up with much more pace & who frankly has a way better chance of breaking the line than a prop blowing out his arris after struggling back especially in the last 1/4 of a game.
Have you tried yourself, I know I have in the dim & distant past and it's a blessed relief the FB & wingers are there to do that and rightly so.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So you expect a forward to turn around & back track 40-50m within a few seconds, get set & stand deep enough to take it up with pace on the 1st
I don't know of many forwards who could actually physically do that never mind actually calculating its effectiveness comparatively to a decent winger taking it up with much more pace & who frankly has a way better chance of breaking the line than a prop blowing out his arris after struggling back especially in the last 1/4 of a game.
Have you tried yourself, I know I have in the dim & distant past and it's a blessed relief the FB & wingers are there to do that and rightly so.'"
Are we talking to set the scrum, or to play the ball?
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Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'"
Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
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Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'"
Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
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Do You think that making less yardage in 30% more carries proves your point tom?
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Do You think that making less yardage in 30% more carries proves your point tom?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do You think that making less yardage in 30% more carries proves your point tom?'"
I think making nearly as many metres as an international in the same amount of games does, regardless of how many carries it takes.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I think making nearly as many metres as an international in the same amount of games does, regardless of how many carries it takes.'"
Means he's perceived as a weak link hence he gets kicked to more
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Means he's perceived as a weak link hence he gets kicked to more'"
Can be perceived as whatever people want to perceive him as, I am confident he will develop into an even better player, especially outside Gleeson.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Can be perceived as whatever people want to perceive him as, I am confident he will develop into an even better player, especially outside Gleeson.'"
Let's hope so. At 24 he should be planning his retirement
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Let's hope so. At 24 he should be planning his retirement'"
Hopefully Gleeson can give him tips on how to age gracefully too
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