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| Quote ="hullbg"I dont know European law but surely if all parties competing agree to the rules set out there is nothing anyone can do to change that??? Or even add a rule that states that for every non British/French player over a set number incurs a mandatory 10 point deduction.
The law is an ass at times, and when we are trying to improve the quality of British/French players we find our hands tied by the bureaucrats it shows how daft it can be.'" In both the Kolpack and the Bosman cases it was a player that won the case I belive.
Putting it bluntly if a player was to challange any ruling about the 'quota' that has been talked about on here with an aim to play in the SL he would win simple as.
Infact after seeing the RFL's reaction in the Mason case I doubt it would even go to court.
Again the deduction idea is a good one but could be seen as a means to restrict free trade unfortunatly.
I do agree that the law is an ass though.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"We have brought in overseas players to strengthen the side.'"
And? Your chairman signed up in 2007 to close loopholes and get to 5 overseas players for 2011. He's not delivered, in spectacular fashion, in part due to an admin feck-up with Galea's passport. It's against the agreement Hudgell signed up to, and it's certainly bad for the British game, which was your original point.
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| As I have posted on the VT, you can now have a 25 man squad as follows:
8 homegrown players
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So if you don't have any injuries, you don't need to field any British players at all.
Scrapping the academy and spending the money scouting in the South Sea Islands would appear to be the way forward.
Barista , you may have a point there however the way we can beat Australia is by allowing players like Willie Manu to play for England . Follow the Australian way and the English cricket team.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And if all teams fielded only 6 British players as Rovers intend to do, would that help, in your opinion?'"
Rovers have a squad of players just like any other RL Team, so expect the squad to be fully utilised depending on injury's.
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| Great idea! Sign a national side!
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| lets just sign a load of aussies get them to get tongan passports and have a team full of aussies and then give it 3 years then they will qualify for england, i see the rfl plans now
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| I was thinking about getting the full Australian side to marry uk backpackers and then giving them all residency or citizenship!
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I was thinking about getting the full Australian side to marry uk backpackers and then giving them all residency or citizenship!'"
Bingo! I'm sure BONES can help you with a few good English wife candidates!
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| So does that mean he is non quota (as the article seems to imply) and but not fed trained? and the RFL have bascily decided to scrap the fed trained rule on the back of Masons case?
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Am I missing something? What new information is in there that wasn't in yesterday's article?
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Am I missing something? What new information is in there that wasn't in yesterday's article?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Am I missing something? What new information is in there that wasn't in yesterday's article?'"
Not much, to be fair . Just another article revealing how ridiculous it all is.
I too emailed the RFL yesterday, they have been pretty quick to reply, so we'll see what comes of it.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I thought everyone was upset about British players not been having opportunities in the game? Why would we want three more overseas?'"
I never said I want more overseas, it's more to find out whether the club with abide by the agreement in 2007 or are they going to say sod it, if the rules have changed again, we will take advantage of it. I'd rather the club just had 5 overseas players, made up of quota and non fed, none of this dispensation carp that we have.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"As I have posted on the VT, you can now have a 25 man squad as follows:
8 homegrown players
5 Australians
12 Tongans
So if you don't have any injuries, you don't need to field any British players at all.
Scrapping the academy and spending the money scouting in the South Sea Islands would appear to be the way forward.'"
Sounds a fantastic job for someone!! where do you apply???
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Bingo! I'm sure BONES can help you with a few good English wife candidates!'"
No job to small , All I need is Breast size , Hair colour and choice of bikini..
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| Quote ="B0NES"No job to small , All I need is Breast size , Hair colour and choice of bikini..'"
I know you won't let us down
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Sounds a fantastic job for someone!! where do you apply???'"
just go to Aberdeen and join the end of the queue (the front of the queue is in Leeds)...
...keep the engine running...
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| would people be bothered if we where challanging and winning trophies if we had a team entirely made up of non UK players??
I know i wouldnt, dont care where they are from.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"would people be bothered if we where challanging and winning trophies if we had a team entirely made up of non UK players??
I know i wouldnt, dont care where they are from.'"
Yes, would be a disgrace.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"would people be bothered if we where challanging and winning trophies if we had a team entirely made up of non UK players??
I know i wouldnt, dont care where they are from.'"
No they wouldn't I don't think. Maybe they would voice concern but at the end of the day you want your club to succeed first and foremost.
However the rules they are a changing..... well for most clubs at least And the teams with fewer imports this season will hopefully reap the rewards in coming seasons when the ageing imports who are exempt dry up and there are no more loopholes to take advantage of.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"In both the Kolpack and the Bosman cases it was a player that won the case I belive.
Putting it bluntly if a player was to challange any ruling about the 'quota' that has been talked about on here with an aim to play in the SL he would win simple as.
Infact after seeing the RFL's reaction in the Mason case I doubt it would even go to court.
Again the deduction idea is a good one but could be seen as a means to restrict free trade unfortunatly.
I do agree that the law is an ass though.'"
The Federation Trained scheme was brought in as a direct copy of a scheme run by Soccer that had been thrashed out with employment authorities across the EU and deemed to be legal. Which makes it even more puzzling that it should (apparently) be abandoned out of hand like this.
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| Quote ="hullbg"[uNo they wouldn't I don't think.[/u Maybe they would voice concern but at the end of the day you want your club to succeed first and foremost.
However the rules they are a changing..... well for most clubs at least
And the teams with fewer imports this season will hopefully reap the rewards in coming seasons when the ageing imports who are exempt dry up and there are no more loopholes to take advantage of.'"
Not so sure about that..Having 2 SL teams in this city has always attracted youngsters into the amateur game. Hull have a very healthy junior amateur scene with a lot of people involved, we want to see the talent make it..Being involved in amateur I for one would not pay to go and watch a team full of Aussies.
For instance I always watch KR on tv (not just because I want them to lose ), but because Welham is from our amateur club, so I always want him to do well knowing how hard people worked with him as a youth and how much work and commitment he put in. Thankfully FC have more players to watch from out local club, but it is special to see local talent make it and they will not with a team full of imports.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The Federation Trained scheme was brought in as a direct copy of a scheme run by Soccer that had been thrashed out with employment authorities across the EU and deemed to be legal. Which makes it even more puzzling that it should (apparently) be abandoned out of hand like this.'"
This link explains what football is doing in a fairly simple and I assume accurate way.
[urlhttp://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-quotas-and-home-grown-player-rule.htm[/url
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"This link explains what football is doing in a fairly simple and I assume accurate way.
[urlhttp://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-quotas-and-home-grown-player-rule.htm[/url'"
Exactly. If you substitute Federation Trained for Association Trained then you pretty much have the system the RFL was operating up until this week, apparently.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Exactly. If you substitute Federation Trained for Association Trained then you pretty much have the system the RFL was operating up until this week, apparently.'"
In principle it is similar, I agree. The football system is much more limited IMO, though. For a UEFA competition (and I'm guessing the EPL), you need 8 locally-trained players in your 25-man squad. Locally-trained can be the equivalent of club-trained [ior[/i fed-trained.
SL are (were?) looking at 8 club trained and 12 (really) fed-trained - for a much more 'ambitious' (ignoring the fact that RL is not a global sport) total of 20 from 25. The principle is similar, so maybe the scale shouldn't matter, I don't know.
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